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    Does PCS stand for "Proud to be Canadian Score"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beep_beep View Post
    Do we have an anti-canada über?
    I'm giving my honest opinions. Just look at the protocols (assuming you know what it is).

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    Quote Originally Posted by katakwan View Post
    There is a judge who gave Caroline ZHANG's Transition / Linking Footwork scores 2.5




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    http://www.isuresults.com/results/gp..._FS_Scores.pdf
    That's not as glaring since other judges gave her like 3.5 to 4.25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krenseby View Post
    I think the only way Caroline gets it together is if she suddenly skates with musicality, pizzazz, and expression, and looks like she ENJOYS being on the ice. All of those factors are too hard to change in a couple of months.

    As for Wagner, I honestly see her as the top contender right now, because she has proven herself again and again this season and more importantly because the judges seem to love her skating. If the judges at Nationals are influenced by the GP judges, then they won't really reward Mirai that much because even when MIrai's jumps are on she doesn't score as well as Alissa. Rachael was of course rewarded mightily by the judges at SA, so if that's a factor, she'll do great at Nationals as well.

    So the contenders for Vancouver listed by their probability of making the team.

    1.) Wagner
    2.) Flatt
    3.) Czisny
    4.) Nagasu.
    5.) Gilles
    6.) Zhang

    (I did leave out Cohen of course, but I am not sure if she'll show up at nationals.)
    Personally, I'd switch Flatt and Wagner around. If Flatt goes clean at Nats, she's on the Oly team- that's nearly a done deal- it would take knockout performances from Czisny and Wagner plus a real bad night from Flatt to put her out.

    So (as of today) in order from best: Flatt, Wagner, Czisny, Nagasu, then I might have Zhang and Gilles tied (if the latter has an off-night, she has no chance whatsoever).

    Then, we haven't seen Wagner at the GPF. If she tanks there, does Czisny shoot ahead of her?


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    As for Cohen, she's rightfully left out of the discussion because she hasn't shown me she's seriously going to engage in this "comeback". Plus, no one knows what to expect. We've seen the other girls already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kunstrijdster View Post
    That was intentional I guess, she also got a 3.00 and a 3.5.
    Yes~ you're right. I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnnn View Post
    I'm giving my honest opinions. Just look at the protocols (assuming you know what it is).
    Ok, no need to become touchy.
    Most of us will give our very blunt and honest opinions in a more polite way, but I guess everything goes.
    What else are you dissatisfied with about this competition? (Honest question, really)

    And I do know what protocols are, thank you.

    The scoring of this event is a joke as whole... but I think I've said that a couple of times already :frown2:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnnn View Post
    I'm very disappointed in SC. What's up with the ridiculous PCS scores for

    Canadian skaters? Especially for Patrick Chen and Joannie Rochette.

    They are really inflating their PCS and getting ready for the olympics.

    Also I'm rather shocked by what Joannie said (I don't need triple triple I can get points from other elements blah blah ~~).

    Oh come on as if she deserved that 70.00.

    Except for her jumps, her spiral is slow and not so pretty,

    her spin is horrible (I wouldn't even call that a layback) and overall

    her programs are just so uninspiring. I bet no one will watch her performance

    over and over again.
    Well if you are going to complain about his scores you could at least spell Patrick's name right!

    I will be watching Joannie's performance over and over again

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnnn View Post
    I'm giving my honest opinions. Just look at the protocols (assuming you know what it is).
    There is no need to rude. Jeesh.

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    I think some of the PCS marks are somewhat...... well, I'm just gonna say it, ridiculous.
    I honestly don't think Joannie's LP was 16 PCS points better than Akiko's. And did Joannie's SP deserve 5 more PCS points than Alissa's? Nah. Sure, Joannie was the best among today's competitors but it was by no means her best performance. Definately not 9.00 good.
    Akiko was so robbed both in SP and LP.
    If it has anything to do with homey effect, it's gonna be really interesting to see what's gonna happen in Japan in two weeks.

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    To follow up on my above post, I will say that the team could be ANY two of those six (minus Gilles, I'm just not sure if she's at the contention level yet and SA didn't help matters any) if the right conditions prevail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i love to skate View Post
    How is it a 5.75? There is clearly a 3.75 on the protocal...
    Sorry for late response, lost connection. I thought the katakwan was taking about the FS protocols, which I had opened beforehand when I saw her post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
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    As for Cohen, she's rightfully left out of the discussion because she hasn't shown me she's seriously going to engage in this "comeback". Plus, no one knows what to expect. We've seen the other girls already.
    I hope someone will be sure to let Sasha know you have taken her out of the equation.

    Maybe that will convince her to quit slacking off and to train harder

    But why the sudden change of heart about Alissa?
    She did fall and mess up in the 2nd half of her program like she usually does?

    When judges look at thses girls at Natls they also consider their coaches. Mirai has the "dean" of coaches in her corner.

    I doubt that the judging tonight will be a big factor on US judges. They are not blind and saw the judging was crap tonight.

    Actually, I think it is hard to call this. Rachael is not Michelle. She may get a spot due to the sheer mediocrity of the field and not because she is anything more than average herself.
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    I disagree with your switch. Wagner has had a breakout season so she's been getting more hype than Rachael, whose breakout season was perhaps some time in the past. What's shiny and new always gets the most attention.

    Second, Wagner made the GPF and if she does well there, that would mean that she racks up three great performances in a row, whereas as Rachael's only noteworthy accomplishment was at Skate America. Again, more accomplishments, more hype.

    So, yeah Wagner will be on the judges' minds as the most amazing U.S. skater of the season.

    As for Czisny, I don't know what the Nationals judges will think of her. She's done so bad at Worlds last year that they may just want her to be rewarded justly for her skate but not have her make the Olympics team.

    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    Personally, I'd switch Flatt and Wagner around. If Flatt goes clean at Nats, she's on the Oly team- that's nearly a done deal- it would take knockout performances from Czisny and Wagner plus a real bad night from Flatt to put her out.

    So (as of today) in order from best: Flatt, Wagner, Czisny, Nagasu, then I might have Zhang and Gilles tied (if the latter has an off-night, she has no chance whatsoever).

    Then, we haven't seen Wagner at the GPF. If she tanks there, does Czisny shoot ahead of her?


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    As for Cohen, she's rightfully left out of the discussion because she hasn't shown me she's seriously going to engage in this "comeback". Plus, no one knows what to expect. We've seen the other girls already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    When judges look at thses girls at Natls they also consider their coaches. Mirai has the "dean" of coaches in her corner.
    I really hope you are wrong on that one. Yes, a great coach may be a good thing to have and is a promising sign for a skater's future, but let's not let this consideration enter into the judging at all.

    Although, I bet when Sasha teamed up with Tarasova, it gave her tremendous clout. Though, this doesn't seem to be the case with the young Asada!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnnn View Post
    I'm very disappointed in SC. What's up with the ridiculous PCS scores for

    Canadian skaters? Especially for Patrick Chen and Joannie Rochette.

    They are really inflating their PCS and getting ready for the olympics.

    Also I'm rather shocked by what Joannie said (I don't need triple triple I can get points from other elements blah blah ~~).

    Oh come on as if she deserved that 70.00.

    Except for her jumps, her spiral is slow and not so pretty,

    her spin is horrible (I wouldn't even call that a layback) and overall

    her programs are just so uninspiring. I bet no one will watch her performance

    over and over again.
    Thank you for your 2 cents. Bitterness is really not your color.

    Of all the times she's done a 3-3 in comps post 2006, she's had none of them ratified. Her solo triple jumps are good to begin with. Granted, I still think she should change her toe-seq into a 3sal-3toe because she'll score more.

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