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    JGPF - Junior Men

    Starts at 18:30 local time/9:30 GMT.

    Starting Order
    Warm-Up Group 1
    1 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA
    2 Richard DORNBUSH USA
    3 Stanislav KOVALEV RUS
    4 Kento NAKAMURA JPN

    Warm-Up Group 2
    5 Artur GACHINSKI RUS
    6 Nan SONG CHN
    7 Ross MINER USA
    8 Yuzuru HANYU JPN

    Fun fact: Yuzuru Hanyu, the top qualifier, turns 15 next week and is the youngest skater in this field by more than a year. If I'm not mistaken, he's one of only three skaters to score over 200 as a junior (the other two being Adam Rippon and Michal Brezina). I think Hanyu is wonderful and hope he skates really well on home ice... but good luck to everyone, of course

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    1 Nan SONG CHN 71.70 1
    2 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA 66.45 2
    3 Artur GACHINSKI RUS 62.44 3
    4 Richard DORNBUSH USA 59.35 4
    5 Stanislav KOVALEV RUS 57.69 5
    6 Kento NAKAMURA JPN 57.16 6

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    Go Hochstein!

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    I know I'm jumping the gun but would Nan Song be China's first man to win a singles JGPF? Way to go in the SP!

    (Is Nan his first name?)

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    I'm very very excited to see Yuzuru here!! He'sgot the beginnings of a great "total package" in my opinion. Great jumps, great spins, great artistry I also can't wait to see Ross Miner--he's a great performer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    I know I'm jumping the gun but would Nan Song be China's first man to win a singles JGPF? Way to go in the SP!

    (Is Nan his first name?)
    I believe Nan is the first name. I know him as Song and I was very impressed with him in another competition. I would have no objection if he were to win here.

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    Song is his first name. His chinese name is 宋(Song)楠(Nan)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    I know I'm jumping the gun but would Nan Song be China's first man to win a singles JGPF? Way to go in the SP!

    (Is Nan his first name?)

    Actually he would be the third. Song Gao and Xiaodong Ma were Junior Grand Prix Champions on the 1999-2000 and 2000-2001 seasons respectively. Unfortunately nothing much happened with those two after that, although Song Gao was still competing until last season.

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    Since there are 8 JGPF entrants per discipline, I'll add the other 2 skaters:

    1 Nan SONG CHN 71.70 42.40 29.30 6.20 5.40 6.00 5.85 5.85 0.00 #6
    2 Ross MINER USA 70.85 40.10 30.75 6.20 5.90 6.25 6.15 6.25 0.00 #7
    3 Yuzuru HANYU JPN 69.85 37.80 32.05 6.65 6.10 6.40 6.30 6.60 0.00 #8
    4 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA 66.45 37.80 28.65 5.80 5.55 5.65 5.70 5.95 0.00 #1
    5 Artur GACHINSKI RUS 62.44 33.04 29.40 6.10 5.35 5.95 6.00 6.00 0.00 #5
    6 Richard DORNBUSH USA 59.35 32.30 27.05 5.60 5.25 5.40 5.35 5.45 0.00 #2
    7 Stanislav KOVALEV RUS 57.69 29.64 28.05 5.75 5.15 5.70 5.65 5.80 0.00 #3
    8 Kento NAKAMURA JPN 57.16 31.36 27.80 5.95 5.30 5.40 5.50 5.65 2.00 #4

    Congratulations to Nan Song and also to Ross Miner of Vermont!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiarry View Post
    Song is his first name. His chinese name is 宋(Song)楠(Nan)
    You risk confusing matters with your terminology. Song is his FAMILY name or SURNAME (姓) Yes, in Chinese tradition, family name comes first, but not in international convention. Nan is his personal name (名字)which is what we call "first name" in international convention. Only in China by the Chinese announcer speaking Chinese will you hear him announced as Song Nan--in English announcements and outside China he will be listed and announced as "Nan Song." Similar to the Korean "Kim Yu-Na" vs "Yu-Na Kim."

    Whatever you want to call him, he is a fine up-and-coming skater who hopefully can move successfully into Senior level competition. And I remember seeing Song Gao soon after he moved up to seniors--he was wonderful but then seemed to backslide into mediocrity.

    IMHO, the Chinese elite singles skaters would greatly benefit by some outside (non-Chinese) coaching influence, possibly even being trained mostly outside China. But don't count on the Chinese Skating Federation to allow this.
    Last edited by bigsisjiejie; 12-03-2009 at 10:36 PM.

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    Maybe I should have just called this thread JGPF - Junior Men...

    Anyway, final results:
    1 Yuzuru HANYU JPN 206.77 3 1
    2 Nan SONG CHN 204.99 1 2
    3 Ross MINER USA 196.09 2 4
    4 Richard DORNBUSH USA 191.80 6 3
    5 Grant HOCHSTEIN USA 187.92 4 5
    6 Artur GACHINSKI RUS 178.03 5 6
    7 Stanislav KOVALEV RUS 163.20 7 7
    8 Kento NAKAMURA JPN 142.78 8 8

    Congratulations to the medalists, looks like it was a pretty good event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    Maybe I should have just called this thread JGPF - Junior Men...
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    Congratulations to the medalists, looks like it was a pretty good event.
    Oy, maybe you should have, I didn't dare to post here anything about the FS!

    Yuzuru wasn't flawless, still great he won! The overall quility of his skating is just amazing

    Hope he hasn't hurt himself on that 2nd 3A landing.

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    Just found Yuzuru's SP

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txbUXfu7H2s

    Did he do a "double Tano" jump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsuhs View Post
    Yuzuru wasn't flawless, still great he won! The overall quility of his skating is just amazing

    Hope he hasn't hurt himself on that 2nd 3A landing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Glory View Post
    Just found Yuzuru's SP

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txbUXfu7H2s

    Did he do a "double Tano" jump?
    Thanks for the link - I haven't seen Yuzuru skate in competition since Junior Worlds, and he's really improved (and grown, I think); the only thing that seemed off was the speed on the spins. I love watching him skate, the quality is great and he has a wonderful style - hopefully he'll just keep getting better and better.

    I wonder how much longer Yuzuru will stay junior? He's much younger than the other top juniors but I really don't see any point in keeping him at that level longer than necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    IMHO, the Chinese elite singles skaters would greatly benefit by some outside (non-Chinese) coaching influence, possibly even being trained mostly outside China. But don't count on the Chinese Skating Federation to allow this.
    Astute observation bigsisjiejie that I agree with. I think the Chinese pairs teams got their big "break-out" when Shen/Zhao finally were given the chance to work with choreographers in the US like LA Miller. When they finally dropped skating to Chinese themed orchestrations that helped broadened their impact with international judges too.

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