Grand Prix Final: Ladies SP

**steyn** · 12-04-2009, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by sjwh08

What about a whopping DG for +1.6 GOE jump?

It's the same thing. You just exchange the left hand side and the right hand side in a mathematical equation. I didn't mean that Yu-Na's 1.6 GOE was not deserved. Either her GOE was wrong or DG was wrong. I would say her jump was excellent.

**gourry** · 12-04-2009, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by magicalwords

I'm just gonna wait for protocols and massive clips of Yuna's 3T the Korean fans will be analyzing to death

Oh you bet there will be. And I'm really waiting for them.

That is one virtue of this internet era. You can see so much evidence whether a call is suspicious or not. So the callers better watch out.

**Blades of Passion** · 12-04-2009, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Marrymeyunakim

I hope Kim can demonstrate her mental and skating calibre by rebounding in the LP. It's what the great champions do.

Absolutely!

**i love to skate** · 12-04-2009, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Marrymeyunakim

It's quite ridiculous that there are no replays for jumps to see for underrotations, clean landings or cheated landings. In a sport that has seen its judges be involved in cheating and conspiracy, it's a wonder why steps have not been taken to ensure that it is as clean as possible.

Huh?? The tech specialist can watch the video over and over after the performance to look for downgrades and edge calls. That's why the marks take so long sometimes.

**figurejennah** · 12-04-2009, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by i love to skate

Huh?? The controllers can watch the video over and over after the performance to look for downgrades and edge calls. That's why the marks take so long sometimes.

There has been a change in rule this season. So, it would actually benefit
skaters who were getting UR/Edge calls before.

**sjwh08** · 12-04-2009, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by i love to skate

Huh?? The controllers can watch the video over and over after the performance to look for downgrades and edge calls. That's why the marks take so long sometimes.

But judges can't. I think that's what the op meant.

**Marrymeyunakim** · 12-04-2009, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by i love to skate

Huh?? The controllers can watch the video over and over after the performance to look for downgrades and edge calls. That's why the marks take so long sometimes.

I didn't know that, and I assumed that they didn't have that kind of technology available to them. Otherwise, the judges could really put our minds to ease in regards to suspicious calls like Yu-Na's 3T being downgraded and other skaters like Mirai. Sadly, many a time there seems to be inconsistencies; I wonder why this is so if the judges have the ability to watch jumps over and over to check for edge calls and downgrades. :frown2:

**dlgpffps** · 12-04-2009, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Marrymeyunakim

I hope Kim can demonstrate her mental and skating calibre by rebounding in the LP. It's what the great champions do.

I would also love to see that, but I have this gut feeling that it won't happen. Too much has been getting at her lately. The confidence she had exuded earlier on in the competitive season has ebbed away, and I can't help but wonder why. The only factor I can actually point to is pressure -- Olympic season pressure, pressure from fans, a nation's OGM hinging on her every jump, the stupid media that never leaves her alone, the 3F that's getting at her lately.

I think it would be better for her to take this bitter pill with stoicism. Lose a game for once before heading to the Olympic Games. It's a great experience -- a humbling one (but I've never considered her arrogant, of course

) and one that will get some pressure off. Orser himself said that Kim thrives off of loss. She's a tough competitor, all right, and a loss will empower her, like the 2008 GPF had done a year ago. But OF COURSE I would love to see her rebound like the champion she is!!

**evangeline** · 12-04-2009, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by figurejennah

I am not being nationalistic here, I am from the states........??

I am sorry, but to be honest, I really cannot accept this downgrade with her 3T. Seriously, first her step, then her 3F, and now 3T. Now what?(And if it's that one/two same people who are giving these problems, then I will be bitter...... lol)

And, Ando got positive GOE for her 3-2 (which was supposed to be 3-3). BAH...??

No, but making a (baseless) claim that the technical specialist must be Japanese and hating on Yu-Na just because it was a close call you disagree with is a bit...unfair, no?

And why shouldn't Miki get positive GoE on her 3-2, if that's what she did well? Was it really supposed to be a 3-3?

**inside edge** · 12-04-2009, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by figurejennah

LOL. Perhaps. Come on, everyone knows that Yuna did not deserve
level 1 on her step sequence. Until that "e"' call, Yuna always received positive GOE on her flip, and now her 3T is UR. What's next? Yuna's 2A is UR???

ITA
Let's see...

..

**R.D.** · 12-04-2009, 08:09 AM

Too bad about Wagner :(

but holy crap, Yuna in SECOND???

One mistake and she's with the rest of the pack...oh man, Olys may be not be the blowout we all think it will be...

Anyway, this does make the FS more exciting.

**Nadia01** · 12-04-2009, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by R.D.

Too bad about Wagner :(

but holy crap, Yuna in SECOND???

One mistake and she's with the rest of the pack...oh man, Olys may be not be the blowout we all think it will be...

Anyway, this does make the FS more exciting.

Actually TWO mistakes:

DG on 3T (from her 3Lz-3T) & 1F.

**figurejennah** · 12-04-2009, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by evangeline

No, but making a (baseless) claim that the technical specialist must be Japanese and hating on Yu-Na just because it was a close call you disagree with is a bit...unfair, no?

And why shouldn't Miki get positive GoE on her 3-2, if that's what she did well? Was it really supposed to be a 3-3?

Well, it's not a baseless claim since it's the same technical caller who gave her "e"' gave her downgrade today.

Also, the lovely lady Junko was there and she did give her level 1.

And yes, Miki was supposed to do 3-3. If you can watch her again, please do so. You can see her lose her balance and slip out a little.

**Marrymeyunakim** · 12-04-2009, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by dlgpffps

I would also love to see that, but I have this gut feeling that it won't happen. Too much has been getting at her lately. The confidence she had exuded earlier on in the competitive season has ebbed away, and I can't help but wonder why. The only factor I can actually point to is pressure -- Olympic season pressure, pressure from fans, a nation's OGM hinging on her every jump, the stupid media that never leaves her alone, the 3F that's getting at her lately.

I think it would be better for her to take this bitter pill with stoicism. Lose a game for once before heading to the Olympic Games. It's a great experience -- a humbling one (but I've never considered her arrogant, of course

) and one that will get some pressure off. Orser himself said that Kim thrives off of loss. She's a tough competitor, all right, and a loss will empower her, like the 2008 GPF had done a year ago. But OF COURSE I would love to see her rebound like the champion she is!!

You're not the only one with doubts about Kim's ability to snatch this title after what was for her a sub-par SP performance (we're so used to seeing her 75+ now). I think that the pressure has been getting to her lately and with her media that won't get out of her face, especially when she's in Asia, any normal person would be feeling nervous.

The Olympic season is indeed not over yet and there are so many things that could occur between now and Vancouver. If Kim wins tomorrow she will demonstrate that she is truly capable of skating a great LP after a shaky SP. If she loses, the pressure will be placed squarely on the shoulders of probably Miki Ando, and this might just be the pill that Kim needs to swallow (she hasn't lost a competition in a year now!). There's always something about champions never being completely dominant, and then showing their true character when the chips are down or when their confidence may have taken a blow. If Yu-Na loses, I only hope she will be rebound like she did after Mao beat her at home in last year's GPF: Kim went onto set a new WR in the SP at 4CC.

I am definitely worried but I have enough faith in Kim that her hard work will carry her through, win or lose tomorrow.