Grand Prix Final: Ladies SP

[Marrymeyunakim]

Actually TWO mistakes:

DG on 3T (from her 3Lz-3T) & 1F.

It has been said by very fair posters on this board that her 3T should not have received the downgrade that it did.

[i love to skate]

But judges can't. I think that's what the op meant.

Yes they can. Depends on the event.

I didn't know that, and I assumed that they didn't have that kind of technology available to them. Otherwise, the judges could really put our minds to ease in regards to suspicious calls like Yu-Na's 3T being downgraded and other skaters like Mirai. Sadly, many a time there seems to be inconsistencies; I wonder why this is so if the judges have the ability to watch jumps over and over to check for edge calls and downgrades. :frown2:

It is not the judges responsibility to downgrade a jump or to watch for edge calls - the only person who can downgrade a jump is a person on the technical panel. A judges job is to assign GOEs and the PCS.

[Nadia01]

It has been said by very fair posters on this board that her 3T should not have received the downgrade that it did.

But the tech caller downgraded it, so the result is that she is now in the second place. If she hadn't been DG for it, she would've beaten Miki's SP.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what we say here. What matters is what the judges (and tech callers) think.

I do not agree w/ the 3T downgrade b/c I don't think it was UR, but that doesnt' change the result. :(

[Marrymeyunakim]

It is not the judges responsibility to downgrade a jump or to watch for edge calls - the only person who can downgrade a jump is a person on the technical panel. A judges job is to assign GOEs and the PCS.

Sorry, I am not that familiar with figure skating but with semantics aside, can you please tell me why on earth there are such inconsistencies in handing out DG's and edge calls if the technical panel can review a skater's jumps?

[evangeline]

It has been said by very fair posters on this board that her 3T should not have received the downgrade that it did.

I didn't think Yu-Na's 3T was under-rotated either, but I will give the technical caller the benefit of the doubt because I realize that I (along with most posters here, I assume) was watching on a small, less-than-optimal feed on teh Internets, which probably makes a big difference in perception if the call was very close.

[R.D.]

Actually TWO mistakes:

DG on 3T (from her 3Lz-3T) & 1F.

Wow. I expected Wagner to be last :( but I was NOT expecting Yuna to show such vulnerability! still though, if she nails the FS she'll STILL win by five miles.

[Marrymeyunakim]

But the tech caller downgraded it, so the result is that she is now in the second place. If she hadn't been DG for it, she would've beaten Miki's SP.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what we say here. What matters is what the judges (and tech callers) think.

I do not necessarily agree w/ the 3T downgrade b/c I don't think it was UR, but that doesnt' change the result. :(

You're completely right. Even if I think that a decision was botched, it won't really change the outcome. Kim would have been first even with an UR had she executed her flip. She didn't. And that's why she's not in first.

I still think that figure skating, perhaps moreso than any other sport I know, is and continues to be besieged by judges who may have nationalistic tendencies, and although I suppose the new scoring system was meant to prevent this, what we've learned is that it probably hasn't. I'm just a little dismayed because even though I agree presentation scores should be subjective, what we're seeing now is the most simple and objective of judgements - for example, whether a skater underrotated or not - are and will continue to be misjudged.

[Marrymeyunakim]

I didn't think Yu-Na's 3T was under-rotated either, but I will give the technical caller the benefit of the doubt because I realize that I (along with most posters here, I assume) was watching on a small, less-than-optimal feed on teh Internets, which probably makes a big difference in perception if the call was very close.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the call is very close then isn't the skater to receive the benefit of the doubt?

[woshisunnya]

But the tech caller downgraded it, so the result is that she is now in the second place. If she hadn't been DG for it, she would've beaten Miki's SP.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what we say here. What matters is what the judges (and tech callers) think.

I do not necessarily agree w/ the 3T downgrade b/c I don't think it was UR, but that doesnt' change the result. :(

I compeletely agree with you. Nothing can change the result so I just hope Yuna will have a good Lp tomorrow. By the way, according from someone posted in her forum (thanks for the poster),Yuna said she was greatly taken aback by the fall in the warm-up. She thought that the 3L-3T was O.K. but she would check it out.

[steyn]

At the moment, pactically more important question would be whether the LP technical panel is the same as the SP panel and according to the answer we may be able to guess tommorrow's result.

[Nadia01]

You're completely right. Even if I think that a decision was botched, it won't really change the outcome. Kim would have been first even with an UR had she executed her flip. She didn't. And that's why she's not in first.

I still think that figure skating, perhaps moreso than any other sport I know, is and continues to be besieged by judges who may have nationalistic tendencies, and although I suppose the new scoring system was meant to prevent this, what we've learned is that it probably hasn't. I'm just a little dismayed because even though I agree presentation scores should be subjective, what we're seeing now is the most simple and objective of judgements - for example, whether a skater underrotated or not - are and will continue to be misjudged.

I'm not sure what you mean by nationalistic tendencies.

There was no JP tech caller.

[Mafke]

Boy, am I beginning to hate CoP, especially UR calls. Far too many of them seem completely random and/or undeserved (and they can't be effectively challenged). The result is they effectively randomize too many of the results....

blech, who wants to watch crap like that??????

I know I don't (why I'm planning on giving the ladies in Vancouver a miss).

[Nadia01]

Wow. I expected Wagner to be last :( but I was NOT expecting Yuna to show such vulnerability! still though, if she nails the FS she'll STILL win by five miles.

At the same time Yuna is very close to beating Miki even w/ 2 mistakes. (Miki made none that I could see...)

So that's pretty crazy when put that way, no?

[Marrymeyunakim]

I'm not sure what you mean by nationalistic tendencies.

There was no JP tech caller.

I wasn't alluding to that and I apologise if you took it that way. I was not referring to this incident involving Yu-Na. I was talking in general. You don't agree that figure skating is often marred by inconsistent judging and suspicious calls?

[Nadia01]

At the moment, pactically more important question would be whether the LP technical panel is the same as the SP panel and according to the answer we may be able to guess tommorrow's result.

I think it's the same.