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Grand Prix Final: Ladies SP

rossdale

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Just ask computers to count the # of rotations

It would be a damn easy technology to count the # of rotations.

I can not trust judges at all.
 

rossdale

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Yuna's video is up already. I guess Korean fans are fast...... lol
I was watching it live online, too, so the screen was quite fuzzy and I couldn't see well, but this is much better.

To me, her 3-3 looks just as good as the one at TEB or SA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAqni0POd90

Her 3-3 jump today was as good as jumps before. I do not understand the justfication for down grade. Someone needs to explain to me. It is a really problematic to give inconsitent and wrong call in such a big event
 

steyn

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Am I beginning to hate CoP, especially UR calls. Far too many of them seem completely random and/or undeserved (and they can't be effectively challenged) that they effectively randomize too many of the results....

blech, who wants to watch crap like that?????? I know I don't (why I'm planning on giving the ladies in Vancouver a miss).

I suspect it may not be random. Actually by analyzing statistics so far we may be able to find some interesting result about technical callers, for example, who had more controversial calls and so on.
 

figurejennah

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Puhleease. Sorry my wording was wrong. I'm also an American national, but ethnicity-wise I'm Scottish, Korean and Japanese. I'm making an analogy here, but that's what you essentially did. I've gone through this Korean vs Japanese my whole life & I'm frankly so sick of it.


Ugh, I understand how you feel if you were Scottish, Korean and Japanese! (My Korean and Japanese friends, they hang out well but whenever history comes up, they are like cats and dogs... lol -- which I perfectly understand why.)


I hate to bring Korea/Japan thing in here, but no one can deny the fact that nationality does play some tricks in figure skating. That's why we have a new system, and we continue to question if it is working.

I couldn't resist but to point out that the tech who gave her downgrade was the same one who gave Yuna "e." If no one sees it but that one person says OMG Yuna sucks! let's give her all these downgrades and edge calls! (and yes also that another tech referee being there)........ it's just fishy. sigh. (I will go with the majority here and if 10 say Yuna's jumps are perfect vs 1 who says she's wrong, then I will say that 1 person is wrong.)

I saw the youtube clip, and saw it many times, and still with my head, I can't accept that downgrade. We all know what happens after that one small incident. Before Yuna received "e," her 3flip success rate was almost 100%. Now, everyone says she has some mental issues. I just HATE seeing this.
 
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janetfan

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Am I beginning to hate CoP, especially UR calls. Far too many of them seem completely random and/or undeserved (and they can't be effectively challenged) that they effectively randomize too many of the results....

blech, who wants to watch crap like that?????? I know I don't (why I'm planning on giving the ladies in Vancouver a miss).

It feels ironic that it looks less like a "sport" to me at times as the power of tech callers continues to grow.

The Ladies are not skating like confident athletes under this system and why not start giving them marks for their costume and makeup too. Maybe that would distract us from the deteriorating performaces we are seeing on the ice.
 

rossdale

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Puhleease. Sorry my wording was wrong. I'm also an American national, but ethnicity-wise I'm Scottish, Korean and Japanese. There are so many hostile and stupid Japanese-Americans/Korean-Americans that spew out silly garb. I just hate the fact that you have to bring up a Japanese lady must be behind some kind of reason that Yuna got DG. I don't like the call either. And I'm not talking how people get GOEs or not. I'm saying you're ridiculous in insinuating that a call that you don't agree on has to have some kind of ethnically-driven motive. Yuna clearly didn't deserve a +1 GOE for her 1st combo at SA in LP '09, but just because one judge had strange marks I didn't assume, oh the person must be Korean. I'm making an analogy here, but that's what you essentially did. I've gone through this Korean vs Japanese my whole life & I'm frankly so sick of it.


Please be objective. Please compare Ando's 3-2 jump and Yuna's 3-3 jump. Please tell which jump deserves more score. Please listen to your heart not your brain.
 

sjwh08

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Puhleease. Sorry my wording was wrong. I'm also an American national, but ethnicity-wise I'm Scottish, Korean and Japanese. There are so many hostile and stupid Japanese-Americans/Korean-Americans that spew out silly garb. I just hate the fact that you have to bring up a Japanese lady must be behind some kind of reason that Yuna got DG. I don't like the call either. And I'm not talking how people get GOEs or not. I'm saying you're ridiculous in insinuating that a call that you don't agree on has to have some kind of ethnically-driven motive. Yuna clearly didn't deserve a +1 GOE for her 1st combo at SA in LP '09, but just because one judge had strange marks I didn't assume, oh the person must be Korean. I'm making an analogy here, but that's what you essentially did. I've gone through this Korean vs Japanese my whole life & I'm frankly so sick of it.

Don't put words based on your 'being so sick of it' into other people's mouths. This poster thought the tech specialist was Junko and other people clarified it wasn't her.
 

gourry

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But we're not counting the number of rotations. What is counted is the degree of rotation, which is less easy to discern.

Do you think it is possible that someday somebody invents some small device that skaters attach on their blade and it goes on when they leave the ice and goes off when they impact the ice and tells how many degrees were rotated? :biggrin: Then maybe all this controversy will be able to rest in peace.
 

Marrymeyunakim

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I suspect it may not be random. Actually by analyzing statistics so far we may be able to find some interesting result about technical callers, for example, who had more controversial calls and so on.

That might be the next task of excellent statisticians on this board... Mathman just to name one. :clap: Hint hint.

Seriously though, I feel like as fans of figure skating we should all band together and try to make it a better sport for all of us to follow. This is why calling out inconsistent judging and things like this, especially under the very system which aimed to stamp out these flaws, is so valuable. It may be awfully idealistic of me to think that we could have any significant impact on the ISU, but who knows? We're part of quite a big forum.
 

dlgpffps

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Nov 14, 2009
I think it's the same.

Shoot. If Kim's 3-3 is as fine as it was today, but still DG tomorrow, I will take a break from figure skating for a year or so and skip the Olympic Games altogether. I'm getting rather sick of this. First the 3F-3T, now this? Kim's 3-3 combos are one of the best in the entire history of ladies figure skating. I don't get where all of these "e" "!" and DGs are coming from.
 

sjwh08

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That might be the next task of excellent statisticians on this board... Mathman just to name one. :clap: Hint hint.

Seriously though, I feel like as fans of figure skating we should all band together and try to make it a better sport for all of us to follow. This is why calling out inconsistent judging and things like this, especially under the very system which aimed to stamp out these flaws, is so valuable. It may be awfully idealistic of me to think that we could have any significant impact on the ISU, but who knows? We're part of quite a big forum.

In the meantime, increasing the number of tech callers and judges would do good.
 

figurejennah

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Shoot. If Kim's 3-3 is as fine as it was today, but still DG tomorrow, I will take a break from figure skating for a year or so and skip the Olympic Games altogether. I'm getting rather sick of this. First the 3F-3T, now this? Kim's 3-3 combos are one of the best in the entire history of ladies figure skating. I don't get where all of these "e" "!" and DGs are coming from.

I know. That's exactly how I feel.

SHOW ME A BETTER 3-3 COMBO PLEASE, then maybe I understand.
Trust me, at SA, Yuna was BETTER than most of the Men there, if not all. Before seeing her live, I loved Yuna, but after seeing her, I was just speechless. I don't know if we will ever see another skater like this. People there (No, I am not talking about Koreans, I am talking about WHITE AMERICANS) said Yuna brought the popularity back to skating. Seeing her treated like this breaks my heart. :sob:
 
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i love to skate

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I couldn't resist but to point out that the tech who gave her downgrade was the same one who gave Yuna "e." If no one sees it but that one person (and yes also that another tech referee being there)........ it's just fishy. sigh.

There is two other people on the tech panel. This isn't the only time that Yuna has received edge calls or downgrades...

Now, everyone says she has some mental issues. I just HATE seeing this.

Yes, but that's sports. It sounds to me that Yuna needs to get a tougher mental game. In Paris the ice through her off, in Skate America it was her skates, and here, as another poster said, she said a fall in the warm up was hard to shake. IMO, she needs to accept that things don't always go perfectly and in sports you need to work through adversity.
 
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inside edge

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Ugh, I understand how you feel if you were Scottish, Korean and Japanese! (My Korean and Japanese friends, they hang out well but whenever history comes up, they are like cats and dogs... lol -- which I perfectly understand why.)


I hate to bring Korea/Japan thing in here, but no one can deny the fact that nationality does play some tricks in figure skating. That's why we have a new system, and we continue to question if it is working.

I couldn't resist but to point out that the tech who gave her downgrade was the same one who gave Yuna "e." If no one sees it but that one person says OMG Yuna sucks! let's give her all these downgrades and edge calls! (and yes also that another tech referee being there)........ it's just fishy. sigh. (I will go with the majority here and if 10 say Yuna's jumps are perfect vs 1 who says she's wrong, then I will say that 1 person is wrong.)

I saw the youtube clip, and saw it many times, and still with my head, I can't accept that downgrade. We all know what happens after that one small incident. Before Yuna received "e," her 3flip success rate was almost 100%. Now, everyone says she has some mental issues. I just HATE seeing this.

totally agree:think:
 

rossdale

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Could you explain? I'm not sure if I understand the difference between degree of rotation and number of rotations.


Agree with Marrymeyunakim. The difference in take off and landing degree of rotation should be easiliy converted to the # of rotations. It can be counted with 1-2 decimal points.
 

Marrymeyunakim

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Ugh, I understand how you feel if you were Scottish, Korean and Japanese! (My Korean and Japanese friends, they hang out well but whenever history comes up, they are like cats and dogs... lol -- which I perfectly understand why.)


I hate to bring Korea/Japan thing in here, but no one can deny the fact that nationality does play some tricks in figure skating. That's why we have a new system, and we continue to question if it is working.

I couldn't resist but to point out that the tech who gave her downgrade was the same one who gave Yuna "e." If no one sees it but that one person says OMG Yuna sucks! let's give her all these downgrades and edge calls! (and yes also that another tech referee being there)........ it's just fishy. sigh. (I will go with the majority here and if 10 say Yuna's jumps are perfect vs 1 who says she's wrong, then I will say that 1 person is wrong.)

I saw the youtube clip, and saw it many times, and still with my head, I can't accept that downgrade. We all know what happens after that one small incident. Before Yuna received "e," her 3flip success rate was almost 100%. Now, everyone says she has some mental issues. I just HATE seeing this.

I agree with you. Nationality, either for or against an athlete, continues to be a topic of much debate in the figure skating community. And we're not only talking Japanese and Koreans here, we're talking about everyone, including the athletes that may be advantaged or disadvantaged by poor judging.

I hate how the one flip call that Yu-Na received is continuing to wreak havoc in her mind, to the point where now she has missed 3 flips this season - once at TEB, a fall at SA and now a completely popped one. Believe me, if this was done to Mao, Miki, Ashley, Caroline, whoever, then I would still protest as vehemently. This is not right for there to be such inconsistent adjudication. It really makes me sad.
 
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