Grand Prix Final: Ladies SP

[camion]

I am not being nationalistic here, I am from the states........??

I am sorry, but to be honest, I really cannot accept this downgrade with her 3T. Seriously, first her step, then her 3F, and now 3T. Now what?(And if it's that one/two same people who are giving these problems, then I will be bitter...... lol)

And, Ando got positive GOE for her 3-2 (which was supposed to be 3-3). BAH...??

Puhleease. Sorry my wording was wrong. I'm also an American national, but ethnicity-wise I'm Scottish, Korean and Japanese. There are so many hostile and stupid Japanese-Americans/Korean-Americans that spew out silly garb. I just hate the fact that you have to bring up a Japanese lady must be behind some kind of reason that Yuna got DG. I don't like the call either. And I'm not talking how people get GOEs or not. I'm saying you're ridiculous in insinuating that a call that you don't agree on has to have some kind of ethnically-driven motive. Yuna clearly didn't deserve a +1 GOE for her 1st combo at SA in LP '09, but just because one judge had strange marks I didn't assume, oh the person must be Korean. I'm making an analogy here, but that's what you essentially did. I've gone through this Korean vs Japanese my whole life & I'm frankly so sick of it.

[rossdale]

I watched slow motion more than 10 times.

It is an excellent 3-3 jumps. How come were this jump down-graded?

I am really concerned to see inconsistent calls for the same jump

[figurejennah]

Yuna's video is up already. I guess Korean fans are fast...... lol
I was watching it live online, too, so the screen was quite fuzzy and I couldn't see well, but this is much better.

To me, her 3-3 looks just as good as the one at TEB or SA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAqni0POd90

[Nadia01]

I wasn't alluding to that and I apologise if you took it that way. I was not referring to this incident involving Yu-Na. I was talking in general.

Thanks for clarification.

I just wanted to make sure that people know that there was no homecooking on the tech panel since there wasn't any JP tech caller...

[inside edge]

Sorry, I am not that familiar with figure skating but with semantics aside, can you please tell me why on earth there are such inconsistencies in handing out DG's and edge calls if the technical panel can review a skater's jumps?

sigh...
:banging:
look at her slow motioned 3-3
same one at TEB or SA.

[rossdale]

It would be a damn easy technology to count the # of rotations.

I can not trust judges at all.

[Marrymeyunakim]

sigh...
:banging:

Are you frustrated with me or the fact that in 2009 we still cannot get consistent judgements about underrotations and edge calls?

[evangeline]

It would be a damn easy technology to count the # of rotations.

I can not trust judges at all.

But we're not counting the number of rotations. What is counted is the degree of rotation, which is less easy to discern.

[rossdale]

Yuna's video is up already. I guess Korean fans are fast...... lol
I was watching it live online, too, so the screen was quite fuzzy and I couldn't see well, but this is much better.

To me, her 3-3 looks just as good as the one at TEB or SA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAqni0POd90

Her 3-3 jump today was as good as jumps before. I do not understand the justfication for down grade. Someone needs to explain to me. It is a really problematic to give inconsitent and wrong call in such a big event

[steyn]

Am I beginning to hate CoP, especially UR calls. Far too many of them seem completely random and/or undeserved (and they can't be effectively challenged) that they effectively randomize too many of the results....

blech, who wants to watch crap like that?????? I know I don't (why I'm planning on giving the ladies in Vancouver a miss).

I suspect it may not be random. Actually by analyzing statistics so far we may be able to find some interesting result about technical callers, for example, who had more controversial calls and so on.

[Marrymeyunakim]

But we're not counting the number of rotations. What is counted is the degree of rotation, which is less easy to discern.

Could you explain? I'm not sure if I understand the difference between degree of rotation and number of rotations.

[figurejennah]

Puhleease. Sorry my wording was wrong. I'm also an American national, but ethnicity-wise I'm Scottish, Korean and Japanese. I'm making an analogy here, but that's what you essentially did. I've gone through this Korean vs Japanese my whole life & I'm frankly so sick of it.

Ugh, I understand how you feel if you were Scottish, Korean and Japanese! (My Korean and Japanese friends, they hang out well but whenever history comes up, they are like cats and dogs... lol -- which I perfectly understand why.)


I hate to bring Korea/Japan thing in here, but no one can deny the fact that nationality does play some tricks in figure skating. That's why we have a new system, and we continue to question if it is working.

I couldn't resist but to point out that the tech who gave her downgrade was the same one who gave Yuna "e." If no one sees it but that one person says OMG Yuna sucks! let's give her all these downgrades and edge calls! (and yes also that another tech referee being there)........ it's just fishy. sigh. (I will go with the majority here and if 10 say Yuna's jumps are perfect vs 1 who says she's wrong, then I will say that 1 person is wrong.)

I saw the youtube clip, and saw it many times, and still with my head, I can't accept that downgrade. We all know what happens after that one small incident. Before Yuna received "e," her 3flip success rate was almost 100%. Now, everyone says she has some mental issues. I just HATE seeing this.

[janetfan]

Am I beginning to hate CoP, especially UR calls. Far too many of them seem completely random and/or undeserved (and they can't be effectively challenged) that they effectively randomize too many of the results....

blech, who wants to watch crap like that?????? I know I don't (why I'm planning on giving the ladies in Vancouver a miss).

It feels ironic that it looks less like a "sport" to me at times as the power of tech callers continues to grow.

The Ladies are not skating like confident athletes under this system and why not start giving them marks for their costume and makeup too. Maybe that would distract us from the deteriorating performaces we are seeing on the ice.

[rossdale]

Puhleease. Sorry my wording was wrong. I'm also an American national, but ethnicity-wise I'm Scottish, Korean and Japanese. There are so many hostile and stupid Japanese-Americans/Korean-Americans that spew out silly garb. I just hate the fact that you have to bring up a Japanese lady must be behind some kind of reason that Yuna got DG. I don't like the call either. And I'm not talking how people get GOEs or not. I'm saying you're ridiculous in insinuating that a call that you don't agree on has to have some kind of ethnically-driven motive. Yuna clearly didn't deserve a +1 GOE for her 1st combo at SA in LP '09, but just because one judge had strange marks I didn't assume, oh the person must be Korean. I'm making an analogy here, but that's what you essentially did. I've gone through this Korean vs Japanese my whole life & I'm frankly so sick of it.

Please be objective. Please compare Ando's 3-2 jump and Yuna's 3-3 jump. Please tell which jump deserves more score. Please listen to your heart not your brain.

[sjwh08]

Puhleease. Sorry my wording was wrong. I'm also an American national, but ethnicity-wise I'm Scottish, Korean and Japanese. There are so many hostile and stupid Japanese-Americans/Korean-Americans that spew out silly garb. I just hate the fact that you have to bring up a Japanese lady must be behind some kind of reason that Yuna got DG. I don't like the call either. And I'm not talking how people get GOEs or not. I'm saying you're ridiculous in insinuating that a call that you don't agree on has to have some kind of ethnically-driven motive. Yuna clearly didn't deserve a +1 GOE for her 1st combo at SA in LP '09, but just because one judge had strange marks I didn't assume, oh the person must be Korean. I'm making an analogy here, but that's what you essentially did. I've gone through this Korean vs Japanese my whole life & I'm frankly so sick of it.

Don't put words based on your 'being so sick of it' into other people's mouths. This poster thought the tech specialist was Junko and other people clarified it wasn't her.