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    Quote Originally Posted by rossdale View Post
    Agree with Marrymeyunakim. The difference in take off and landing degree of rotation should be easiliy converted to the # of rotations. It can be counted with 1-2 decimal points.
    But can it easily be converted to 1-2 decimal points?

    It's not like the ISU is counting the degree of rotations with lasers or other extremely exacting tracking technology. The ISU is using humans to determine the degree of rotation with their eyes in a limited amount of time. Maybe you have the benefit of the time to watch Yu-Na's 3-3 closeup in super-high HD on a huge screen 50 times before you make your 1-2 decimal point calculations.

    The tech callers don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossdale View Post
    She did a great performance. I dont think that her score today is fair. She could have gotten better score.
    When a skater misses a major element (3F) in the SP their scores will go down. Yuna, considering she had a major technical error today scored very well. Most other ladies with the same mistake would have a score in the low or middle 50's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hikki View Post
    Thank you. figurejennah, you're getting really repetitive and the more you speak about some competition from a couple of seasons ago the more irrelevant you become. And the person you're referring to wasn't even involved tonight. .

    I am sorry for posting a lot and being "repetitive," but if you hate reading what I wrote, why don't you just skip it? Also, I am not just babbling to myself, I am replying to other posters. Moreover, I wasn't talking about something that occurred "Seasons ago." Yuna received her first "e" only last season.

    I can see how polite you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    When a skater misses a major element (3F) in the SP their scores will go down. Yuna, considering she had a major technical error today scored very well. Most other ladies with the same mistake would have a score in the low or middle 50's.
    I think s/he was talking about Akiko's performance, not Yuna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gourry View Post
    Do you think it is possible that someday somebody invents some small device that skaters attach on their blade and it goes on when they leave the ice and goes off when they impact the ice and tells how many degrees were rotated? Then maybe all this controversy will be able to rest in peace.
    May be I should try. It should be damn easy to detect the take off and landing angles using laser technology and touch sensor

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    Post IMO this grandprix final is a farce!!!

    I was shocked by the overscores in the men's short program.
    Lysacek getting 89.....it's a total joke.
    He's a good skater but definitely NOT good enough to be considered as one of the gold medal favorites.
    Takahashi deserved to get a high score but NOT as high as 89.
    Oda...I've never considered him as an artistic or expressive skater. He's just a jumping machine(although I admit his jumping is excellent)

    I wonder why every skater considered as a medal favorite gets high scores even if they mess up their performances whereas Yuna is ALWAYS underscored after a subpar performance.
    Yuna's 3T getting downgraded...when the person commentating during the broadcast said that I couldn't believe what I was hearing....it was a fully rotated
    3-3 combination!!!!!Even Shizuka Arakawa, ladies olympic champion in the last olympics said that it was flawless....the shocking thing is that her GOE for the combination was 1.6 even though her 3T at the end was downgraded!
    This shows that most of the judges(maybe all of them)marked it as a 3-3 and gave her high GOEs as usual but the technical controler ignored the GOEs and downgraded her triple. Something is quite fishy here....

    I'm glad that Miki skated well today because she hasn't been skating as well as she can before this competition. She deserved to get a season's best for her performance today. Good luck to her in the free skate.
    I feel sorry for Joannie...she has solid jumps(if she's on)and nice chreography and I really like her programs for this season. Hope she makes it to the podium with a solid free skate.

    One thing's for sure: dubious judging is killing figure skating. I truly hope things will be different in Vancouver....

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    In my opinion, the matters are quite clear. The judges gave Kim +1.6 GOE on her 3Lz-3t. Meanwhile, the tech specialist downgraded the same jump. Is it normal for the judges to give that kind of GOE for an underrotated jump? I don't think so. The tech specialist was clearly WRONG, or the nine judges were. Nine against one. Simple mathematics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by figurejennah View Post
    Ugh, I understand how you feel if you were Scottish, Korean and Japanese! (My Korean and Japanese friends, they hang out well but whenever history comes up, they are like cats and dogs... lol -- which I perfectly understand why.)


    I hate to bring Korea/Japan thing in here, but no one can deny the fact that nationality does play some tricks in figure skating. That's why we have a new system, and we continue to question if it is working.

    I couldn't resist but to point out that the tech who gave her downgrade was the same one who gave Yuna "e." If no one sees it but that one person says OMG Yuna sucks! let's give her all these downgrades and edge calls! (and yes also that another tech referee being there)........ it's just fishy. sigh. (I will go with the majority here and if 10 say Yuna's jumps are perfect vs 1 who says she's wrong, then I will say that 1 person is wrong.)

    I saw the youtube clip, and saw it many times, and still with my head, I can't accept that downgrade. We all know what happens after that one small incident. Before Yuna received "e," her 3flip success rate was almost 100%. Now, everyone says she has some mental issues. I just HATE seeing this.
    I agree that ethnicity/race plays in to many things, but I just really hated the fact that you jokingly referred to a Japanese lady. I see your argument in the level 1s & all, but still it sounded really racist to me & that's one thing my dad taught me from his experience growing up in Korea as a mixed child. Don't ever assume or snub someone based on race/ethnicity or looks. And I definitely understand how Koreans & Japanese always have an underlying tension with the historical past & current ones like Dokdo, but still both are part of my heritage & I hate it when there is so much hatred going on. And, I mentioned Yuna recieving a +1 GOE at SA for the LP because I saw a shameful comment saying that judge MUST be Korean because all the other judges gave her minus GOEs. I'm not saying whether a GOE is deserved or undeserved, but people make so much assumptions out of biases.

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    On a lighter note, I really enjoyed Suzuki's performance today. I'm hoping she will get a ticket to the Olympic Games. Mao and Miki are already in (just look at the Japanese Fed's criteria. There's no way the Fed will leave Mao in Japan), so it comes down to the third lady. I know that Yukari and Fumie are excellent as well, but Suzuki has won my heart. I'd love to see her skate in Vancouver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossdale View Post
    May be I should try. It should be damn easy to detect the take off and landing angles using laser technology and touch sensor
    Yeah, like they do in tennis. That'd save us from lots of dramas. But then again, some drama is still good

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    Yu Na not in first? Joannie in 4th? So much for Ladies being predictable.

    Eh that 3-3 looks fine to me. Weird downgrade (maybe there's a very strict tech controller).

    I can't tell edge calls, URs and levels very well either, unless it's an outright mistake. I will honestly tell you I still don't know what makes a Lvl 4 Step Sequence and what doesn't. And of course, there are our favourite DGs, ! and e.

    Couple days ago, I was arguing on FSU that FS is highly prone to subjectivity because of PCS.

    Well, now I'll take my words back and say even TES is subjective too.

    Hasn't the ISU learnt from the recent WC qualifying match between France and Ireland, with Henry's controversial handball? With all the technology at their disposal, you'd thought Speedy and co would use it (do they? don't really know). Hmph.

    OTOH, this makes for an exciting LP! I hope everyone skates better tomorrow (don't beat yourself up Yu Na, you're a GREAT skater and you CAN land that damn 3 Flip. Believe Yu Na and go kill the LP!)

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    Yeah, even though Akiko didn't have her best skate. I'm definitely rooting for her to nab that Olympic spot, along with Mao & Miki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweethinker View Post
    In my opinion, the matters are quite clear. The judges gave Kim +1.6 GOE on her 3Lz-3t. Meanwhile, the tech specialist downgraded the same jump. Is it normal for the judges to give that kind of GOE for an underrotated jump? I don't think so. The tech specialist was clearly WRONG, or the nine judges were. Nine against one. Simple mathematics.



    Where should I start? Should I even bother?


    On a lighter note, I was wrong about the wank being all over the dance results. Oops. Sorry V/M fans here on GS! :o

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    Quote Originally Posted by figurejennah View Post
    I thought the to tech controller who gave Yuna level 1 was Junko.... something? Or am I getting this completely wrong? lol



    I think this is the lady was the one I was talking about...? lol

    Junko is a terrible judge. I do not find any consistency in her judging calls. Also she is severely biased for Japanese and non-Japanese skaters.
    It is not professional at all. I would turn off TV if she become a technical judge in Olympic games. You know what? Japanese skater swill take over the podium no matter what they do in the performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadia01 View Post
    I think s/he was talking about Akiko's performance, not Yuna.
    Thanks, that's the problem with jumping around from board to board :o

    I missed Akiko today - but am not surprised in the least if she was under marked.

    Reputation is everything in CoP and as much as I enjoy Akiko's skating her rep is not as big as some of the other girls.

    I hope she skates well tomorrow.

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