Grand Prix Final: Ladies SP
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4 judges from Europe
3 from Asia
2 from North America
So really? Alena got 3rd cos there is one more european judge than asian? Or is it cos Rochette messed up 3 jumps (3Lz, 2T, 3F) whereas Alena only stepped out of her Ltz.. If Rochette skated clean, like Alena would be anywhere near her..
My one hope for the FS: Wagner rebounds from that sub-par SP and does well for herself. she doesn't even have to move up- she probably won't, anyway- but if she can do an SB in the freeskate that would be enough of a victory for her.
As for everyone else, well, let the chips fall...I picked Ando as the spoiler and she proved my point here holding the SP lead. I keep saying, watch out for her. Watch out for Leonova as well. And, of course, it's still Kim's comp to lose since everyone is so close and maybe suddenly not leading by 20 points after the SP will take some of that "perfection pressure" off.
As for everyone else, well, let the chips fall...I picked Ando as the spoiler and she proved my point here holding the SP lead. I keep saying, watch out for her. Watch out for Leonova as well. And, of course, it's still Kim's comp to lose since everyone is so close and maybe suddenly not leading by 20 points after the SP will take some of that "perfection pressure" off.
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Agree!
This girl skates clean and with joy from competition to competition, she is consistant and improved a lot, and I can see nothing wrong that her scores reflects that. Judges are human also, they see it and I think they like what they see!
P.S. Alena said that she would change her SP costume before Nationals, it would be something like russian national dress
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So I don't agree with the UR call on Yuna's 3t but if you just forget about that and realize that SHE STILL GOT A 65 AND DIDN'T DO ONE OF HER JUMPS. 65, Alissa had a perfect performance at her SC LP and got a 63, she was ecstatic. Joannie's SC performance that was amazing should have gotten a 65 if it weren't for the Canadian judges inflating her scores.Mirai's great short at COC got 62....65 is a GREAT score for someone who does and lands ALL of their jumps.... I think Miki Ando's score today was a little inflated, but we are in Toyko, so we should just accept it. Alena got inflated scores in Russia, Joannie got inflated scores in Canada, Rachael got a huge score at SA (though deserved)...it just happens. And in fairness to Miki, is it really ok to let someone who completely skipped a jump (and in the short no less-when there are only 3 jump passes) win? I'd say that would maybe be a little controversial....the judges were smart, Yuna is in 2nd, but only by a point. One point. A triple flip is worth like 5 right? And Yuna lost points for the UR. It's not the end of the world. Yu Na should win if she does a decent long.
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As other posters have pointed out, there wasn't an overwhelming majority of European judges on the panel.
And besides, who else should have put in front of Alena? Joannie's SP was full of mistakes today, and Akiko and Ashley were (rightly, IMO) hit by some downgrades for iffy jumps. And if you actually look at the scores, Alena's PCS was lower than Joannie's, and less than a point above Akiko's.
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Where is a link to the panel? I have learnred not to necessarily believe any fact posted here when a person is making a point.
Typically any panels I have ever looked at had a much higher % of Euros.
The Olympic panels for instance are not even close to being balanced.
Yu-Na's 3-3
If any other female skater would do the 3-3 as Yu-na does, she would have received GOE +2 and even +3
, Seriously. It seems that we (including judges) have two different measures--I would understand the DG of Yu-na's 3-3 this time only with THAT theory. Or, any other theory like "let's shake Yu-na in Short so that the other skaters might be able to catch up in Free"
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If any other female skater would do the 3-3 as Yu-na does, she would have received GOE +2 and even +3
, Seriously. It seems that we (including judges) have two different measures--I would understand the DG of Yu-na's 3-3 this time only with THAT theory. Or, any other theory like "let's shake Yu-na in Short so that the other skaters might be able to catch up in Free"?
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Something tells me many skaters would not support this device.
Personally to me, the main issue is not whether or not Yu-na would win at short, but whether the technical specialist downgraded the 3-3 jumps which should not be downgraded, and whether there was any intention even an inch, (ex, lower her scores and stop her dominance in short). If Yu-na couldn't win but the judge was fair, it's ok.
The issue of who should have won at short could be next. I still I think Yu-na should. She singled the flip, but her 3-3 was great. Even after (unfairly) downgraded (3-2), there is no way it is comparable with Miki's 3-2. She was a little shaky in 3-2 and the second jump should have been downgraded if Yuna's 3-3 should have beenn downgraded. It means (Yuna 3-2 and Miki 3-1 or even 2-1 when as strict as Yu-na's was judged). "..is it really ok to let someone who completely skipped a jump...win?" I think yes, depending on the other skaters' performances. You know skating is not all about jumps.
You said it's Tokyo, so we should accept the inflation or generous judge that Miki might receive. Well...I worry that many people think that way. Ok, then let's accept inflactions or generous judging on Canadian skaters that may happen at the Olympics. It's a kind of serious issue. That's why it seems that figure skating is becoming the sport of only a few countries. Do we still need this sport at the Olympics--the festival of the worlds?
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well said:yes:
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I think both were fully rotated.
This is quite an obsessive statement
. Please, be here when it does not happen and admit that you were wrong . I think it's most appropriate to stick to the current competition and what we see instead of speculating too far.
Let's not yet go into sinister motivations of judges/tech panelists, and also, do not use the fact that YuNa has had !/e or underrotation calls, before.
Also, I am not that bothered. I just want YuNa to feel glad and happy because she skated well. Miki skated better, but they are both in strong contention to place first, and now it's up to either of them to skate a clean, good LP to win--just like it was in the olden days.
Well said. It is not like Yuna is the only one who is hit with unfair calls. It happens to all skaters.
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I got it from this forum. It should be on page 11 of this discussion or somewhere close. Somebody posted it while discussing nationality of evil tech controller who has it in for Yuna.
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Yes but it is truely a shame though isnt it? It only promotes more non-risk taking and shaky performances.. I'm so tired of this.. There are URs which is clear as daylight even from the tv or computer screens but then there are so many iffy calls, which make the girls more and more nervous and more and more carbon copy of each other in terms of the elements executed. I am still not sure if we're actually correcting anything like this, even in the long run.
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Here's the link:
http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpf0910/SEG011OF.HTM
The reason why many panels have so many European judges is because there are a lot of European countries in the ISU--and let's face it, there's a lot more countries in Europe than in, say, North America anyways.
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