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    Wow for once a really close sp. This freeskate is going to be intense. Miki just showed us how she could be the surprise gold medalist. Stay within her limits and do what she does well. Leneova was overscored. I seea second love affair with the judges like the Irina thing in 2004-5. What is it about the russian girls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    Wow for once a really close sp. This freeskate is going to be intense. Miki just showed us how she could be the surprise gold medalist. Stay within her limits and do what she does well. Leneova was overscored. I seea second love affair with the judges like the Irina thing in 2004-5. What is it about the russian girls?
    It would be the same if Laura was there. Look at the judging panel - it has an overwhelming majority of Euros.
    So Alena is the only Euro girl there and will have an edge because of it.


    Imagine if seven of the judges today were Japanese. Do you think Akiko and Miki would have gotten better scores?

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    Thing is, Alena is nowhere near as polished as Slute was and she wasn't clean here either. I'm a bit iffy about her placing 3rd, but Joannie's SP was completely subpar tonight, so...

    Tomorrow will be a nail-biter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luciana View Post
    I don't understand your point.
    Anyway, Kim rotated fully according to your theory. What's the problem?
    She fully rotated in "real" time. Her air position for the 3T is not as straight today, thus she might have not gotten the lift she needed in her jump. Her 3T looked better at TEB & SA. Here is the video of today's performance: (It is NOT a crazy fan video, I think it is skateBuzz/NBC)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLr1uX_X1GA

    Pay attention closely at 5:20-5:25. It appears she finished her final rotation on the ice. That's the problem with the judges getting HD TV and watching everything in slow mo. The judges are giving scores based on the slow mo view, theoretically Yuna complete 3 rotations in real time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steyn View Post
    In theory, this may be a correct comment in the sense that good air position may result in good landing. But in evaluating a particular jump which has already been executed, air position has nothing to do with DG.
    Of course, the judges are not judging base on theory. I was using the theory to explain why the judges may have downgraded Yuna's jump.

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    Exclamation so unfair tech.

    A tech-specialist misjudged completely Yu-na's perfect toe-loop.
    A tech-specialist misjudged completely Ando's bad loop.
    Figure is so dirty sport.
    Last edited by gotothe; 12-04-2009 at 11:57 AM.

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    Exciting competition! Hoping all the ladies come out tomorrow skating their best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    It would be the same if Laura was there. Look at the judging panel - it has an overwhelming majority of Euros.
    So Alena is the only Euro girl there and will have an edge because of it.


    Imagine if seven of the judges today were Japanese. Do you think Akiko and Miki would have gotten better scores?
    4 judges from Europe
    3 from Asia
    2 from North America

    So really? Alena got 3rd cos there is one more european judge than asian? Or is it cos Rochette messed up 3 jumps (3Lz, 2T, 3F) whereas Alena only stepped out of her Ltz.. If Rochette skated clean, like Alena would be anywhere near her..

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    My one hope for the FS: Wagner rebounds from that sub-par SP and does well for herself. she doesn't even have to move up- she probably won't, anyway- but if she can do an SB in the freeskate that would be enough of a victory for her.

    As for everyone else, well, let the chips fall...I picked Ando as the spoiler and she proved my point here holding the SP lead. I keep saying, watch out for her. Watch out for Leonova as well. And, of course, it's still Kim's comp to lose since everyone is so close and maybe suddenly not leading by 20 points after the SP will take some of that "perfection pressure" off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schiele View Post
    4 judges from Europe
    3 from Asia
    2 from North America

    So really? Alena got 3rd cos there is one more european judge than asian? Or is it cos Rochette messed up 3 jumps (3Lz, 2T, 3F) whereas Alena only stepped out of her Ltz.. If Rochette skated clean, like Alena would be anywhere near her..
    Agree!
    This girl skates clean and with joy from competition to competition, she is consistant and improved a lot, and I can see nothing wrong that her scores reflects that. Judges are human also, they see it and I think they like what they see!
    P.S. Alena said that she would change her SP costume before Nationals, it would be something like russian national dress

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    So I don't agree with the UR call on Yuna's 3t but if you just forget about that and realize that SHE STILL GOT A 65 AND DIDN'T DO ONE OF HER JUMPS. 65, Alissa had a perfect performance at her SC LP and got a 63, she was ecstatic. Joannie's SC performance that was amazing should have gotten a 65 if it weren't for the Canadian judges inflating her scores.Mirai's great short at COC got 62....65 is a GREAT score for someone who does and lands ALL of their jumps.... I think Miki Ando's score today was a little inflated, but we are in Toyko, so we should just accept it. Alena got inflated scores in Russia, Joannie got inflated scores in Canada, Rachael got a huge score at SA (though deserved)...it just happens. And in fairness to Miki, is it really ok to let someone who completely skipped a jump (and in the short no less-when there are only 3 jump passes) win? I'd say that would maybe be a little controversial....the judges were smart, Yuna is in 2nd, but only by a point. One point. A triple flip is worth like 5 right? And Yuna lost points for the UR. It's not the end of the world. Yu Na should win if she does a decent long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    It would be the same if Laura was there. Look at the judging panel - it has an overwhelming majority of Euros.
    So Alena is the only Euro girl there and will have an edge because of it.


    Imagine if seven of the judges today were Japanese. Do you think Akiko and Miki would have gotten better scores?
    As other posters have pointed out, there wasn't an overwhelming majority of European judges on the panel.

    And besides, who else should have put in front of Alena? Joannie's SP was full of mistakes today, and Akiko and Ashley were (rightly, IMO) hit by some downgrades for iffy jumps. And if you actually look at the scores, Alena's PCS was lower than Joannie's, and less than a point above Akiko's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
    As other posters have pointed out, there wasn't an overwhelming majority of European judges on the panel.

    And besides, who else should have put in front of Alena? Joannie's SP was full of mistakes today, and Akiko and Ashley were (rightly, IMO) hit by some downgrades for iffy jumps. And if you actually look at the scores, Alena's PCS was lower than Joannie's, and less than a point above Akiko's.
    Where is a link to the panel? I have learnred not to necessarily believe any fact posted here when a person is making a point.

    Typically any panels I have ever looked at had a much higher % of Euros.
    The Olympic panels for instance are not even close to being balanced.

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    Yu-Na's 3-3

    If any other female skater would do the 3-3 as Yu-na does, she would have received GOE +2 and even +3 , Seriously. It seems that we (including judges) have two different measures--I would understand the DG of Yu-na's 3-3 this time only with THAT theory. Or, any other theory like "let's shake Yu-na in Short so that the other skaters might be able to catch up in Free"?
    Last edited by so_proud; 12-04-2009 at 12:38 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossdale View Post
    Come on. Let me demonstrate proposal.

    1. Put a referece point in arena. This will be degree 0
    2. Put a laser/touch sensor in a player's blades. It will position the angle of take off with respect to the reference point. The revolution is only counted for jumping period. Jump period is determined by a touch sensior. An actuator can be used for the sensor. Any type of piezoelectric material converts pressure to the electrical signal. After land, the sensor detects the angle of landing
    3. The count the rovolution can be easily calculated by difference btw take off and landing angle.

    Seriously, If someone gives me a fund, I can come up with proposal. Cost is the only thing which holds back this concept. Believe me. The current technologies can easiliy support this type of device. It is just matter of demands and costs.
    Something tells me many skaters would not support this device.

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