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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    So I don't agree with the UR call on Yuna's 3t but if you just forget about that and realize that SHE STILL GOT A 65 AND DIDN'T DO ONE OF HER JUMPS. 65, Alissa had a perfect performance at her SC LP and got a 63, she was ecstatic. Joannie's SC performance that was amazing should have gotten a 65 if it weren't for the Canadian judges inflating her scores.Mirai's great short at COC got 62....65 is a GREAT score for someone who does and lands ALL of their jumps.... I think Miki Ando's score today was a little inflated, but we are in Toyko, so we should just accept it. Alena got inflated scores in Russia, Joannie got inflated scores in Canada, Rachael got a huge score at SA (though deserved)...it just happens. And in fairness to Miki, is it really ok to let someone who completely skipped a jump (and in the short no less-when there are only 3 jump passes) win? I'd say that would maybe be a little controversial....the judges were smart, Yuna is in 2nd, but only by a point. One point. A triple flip is worth like 5 right? And Yuna lost points for the UR. It's not the end of the world. Yu Na should win if she does a decent long.

    Personally to me, the main issue is not whether or not Yu-na would win at short, but whether the technical specialist downgraded the 3-3 jumps which should not be downgraded, and whether there was any intention even an inch, (ex, lower her scores and stop her dominance in short). If Yu-na couldn't win but the judge was fair, it's ok.

    The issue of who should have won at short could be next. I still I think Yu-na should. She singled the flip, but her 3-3 was great. Even after (unfairly) downgraded (3-2), there is no way it is comparable with Miki's 3-2. She was a little shaky in 3-2 and the second jump should have been downgraded if Yuna's 3-3 should have beenn downgraded. It means (Yuna 3-2 and Miki 3-1 or even 2-1 when as strict as Yu-na's was judged). "..is it really ok to let someone who completely skipped a jump...win?" I think yes, depending on the other skaters' performances. You know skating is not all about jumps.

    You said it's Tokyo, so we should accept the inflation or generous judge that Miki might receive. Well...I worry that many people think that way. Ok, then let's accept inflactions or generous judging on Canadian skaters that may happen at the Olympics. It's a kind of serious issue. That's why it seems that figure skating is becoming the sport of only a few countries. Do we still need this sport at the Olympics--the festival of the worlds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by katakwan View Post
    If you say so, how about Miki's 3-2?

    Accroding to your words, she should have got not 3-2 but 2-1.
    I totally agree
    Look at Miki's slow-mo if you can count rotation. hmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by so_proud View Post

    You said it's Tokyo, so we should accept the inflation or generous judge that Miki might receive. Well...I worry that many people think that way. Ok, then let's accept inflactions or generous judging on Canadian skaters that may happen at the Olympics. It's a kind of serious issue. That's why it seems that figure skating is becoming the sport of only a few countries. Do we still need this sport at the Olympics--the festival of the worlds?
    well said

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    let's see

    Miki 3-2 VS Yuna 3-3


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNplsDi7_R0

    what do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inside edge View Post
    Miki 3-2 VS Yuna 3-3


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNplsDi7_R0

    what do you think?
    I think both were fully rotated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rossdale View Post
    You know what? Japanese skater swill take over the podium no matter what they do in the performance.
    This is quite an obsessive statement . Please, be here when it does not happen and admit that you were wrong .

    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    I think it's most appropriate to stick to the current competition and what we see instead of speculating too far.

    Let's not yet go into sinister motivations of judges/tech panelists, and also, do not use the fact that YuNa has had !/e or underrotation calls, before.

    Also, I am not that bothered. I just want YuNa to feel glad and happy because she skated well. Miki skated better, but they are both in strong contention to place first, and now it's up to either of them to skate a clean, good LP to win--just like it was in the olden days.
    Well said. It is not like Yuna is the only one who is hit with unfair calls. It happens to all skaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Where is a link to the panel? I have learnred not to necessarily believe any fact posted here when a person is making a point.

    Typically any panels I have ever looked at had a much higher % of Euros.
    The Olympic panels for instance are not even close to being balanced.
    I got it from this forum. It should be on page 11 of this discussion or somewhere close. Somebody posted it while discussing nationality of evil tech controller who has it in for Yuna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinga View Post
    Well said. It is not like Yuna is the only one who is hit with unfair calls. It happens to all skaters.
    Yes but it is truely a shame though isnt it? It only promotes more non-risk taking and shaky performances.. I'm so tired of this.. There are URs which is clear as daylight even from the tv or computer screens but then there are so many iffy calls, which make the girls more and more nervous and more and more carbon copy of each other in terms of the elements executed. I am still not sure if we're actually correcting anything like this, even in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Where is a link to the panel? I have learnred not to necessarily believe any fact posted here when a person is making a point.

    Typically any panels I have ever looked at had a much higher % of Euros.
    The Olympic panels for instance are not even close to being balanced.
    Here's the link:

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpf0910/SEG011OF.HTM


    The reason why many panels have so many European judges is because there are a lot of European countries in the ISU--and let's face it, there's a lot more countries in Europe than in, say, North America anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evangeline View Post
    Here's the link:

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpf0910/SEG011OF.HTM


    The reason why many panels have so many European judges is because there are a lot of European countries in the ISU--and let's face it, there's a lot more countries in Europe than in, say, North America anyways.
    I feel like I'm forced to bring up the Eurovision example again

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    I can't tell if yuna cheated the 3 toe, each time I took at it I have a diffrent opinion, so I guess it could go either way. Regardless, she was overscored to have a 65 without a flip. It is not like everyone else bombed and so she is in s second by default. Sure there were downgrades and stepouts by the other ladies but no falls or pops. Yu- na can and probably will still winthis easily witha mistake or two in the free. Is the rest of her skating really THAT good?

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    Tinymavy15

    You've never seen her skating live, right?
    I saw her 08, 09 SA. Just amazing!!!
    It's not about jumps. Her every movement was just amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15;437280[B
    ]I can't tell if yuna cheated the 3 toe, each time I took at it I have a diffrent opinion, so I guess it could go either way. [/B]Regardless, she was overscored to have a 65 without a flip. It is not like everyone else bombed and so she is in s second by default. Sure there were downgrades and stepouts by the other ladies but no falls or pops. Yu- na can and probably will still winthis easily witha mistake or two in the free. Is the rest of her skating really THAT good?

    You are starting from the logical premise that Yuna's 3-3 is not great and the rest of her skating is not really that good. So, it would take a while for you to find the answer on those. Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    Regardless, she was overscored to have a 65 without a flip. It is not like everyone else bombed and so she is in s second by default.
    Yay, I was gonna be surprised if there is no post talking about "Yu-Na overscored blah blah".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    Wow for once a really close sp. This freeskate is going to be intense. Miki just showed us how she could be the surprise gold medalist. Stay within her limits and do what she does well. Leneova was overscored. I seea second love affair with the judges like the Irina thing in 2004-5. What is it about the russian girls?
    Alena didn't score 70 points with that program, she only got 61 points. When you factor in how others of her caliber (Suzuki and Ashley ) did her scores look fair.

    And as for Russian ladies (Alena and Irina), they tend to fall less frequently than some other skater, hence better score.

    as for European panel... Israel is a asian country , so is most of Russia.

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