boohoo. Yuna is by far not the only or first or last skater to receive questionable downgrades.Originally Posted by ehdtkqorl123
boohoo. Yuna is by far not the only or first or last skater to receive questionable downgrades.
Last edited by shine; 12-04-2009 at 08:33 PM.
I'm not too sure I see that so much as I see a horde of Yuna uberfans showing up to protest her DG. I mean come on guys, 65 points for a pop AND a DG is still INSANELY high.
OK, I was joking when I wrote the comment about me being painted as an anti-YuNatic. Next time, I will use a more obvious emoticon when I'm being facetious (alas, the green disappointed one is my favourite).
Anyways, I agree with you--the UR call on Yu-Na's 3T is definitely questionable. I actually agree with people like you and Blades of Passion who were giving reasonable, measured and fairly objective reasons for why Yu-Na's 3T should not be downgraded. What I was objecting to, however, were previous posters like the one who automatically assumed that Yu-Na was the recipient of unfair tech calls because the the tech caller was Japanese (despite the fact that today's tech caller was Swiss, IIRC).
As for my apparent tendency to distortedly summarize other people's opinions...well, I'll leave that for another thread, this one is getting too cluttered.
Oh man. I'm sorry for misreading your posts. I can't tell subtle sarcasm unless emoticons are used.
Um, I don't know about Rachael's case, but Fumie's was quite visible. I was there, and I was pretty sure it was gonna get DGed.
R.D.
That UR is hard to see (if it's present). Some people can't see it after watching the video for several times, but that's just because they don't see it. I think I saw it the first time when I saw the performance for the first time, it was like "hey, something strange just happened". But I don't know really, maybe I'm wrong and that call is, in fact, unfair. And there are a lot of people who don't see it, so maybe they are right.I'm not too sure I see that so much as I see a horde of Yuna uberfans showing up to protest her DG. I mean come on guys, 65 points for a pop AND a DG is still INSANELY high.
65 points is not insanely high at all, looking at her overall quality.
Last edited by Daniel5555; 12-04-2009 at 08:40 PM.
I'm not too sure I see that so much as I see a horde of Yuna uberfans showing up to protest her DG. I mean come on guys, 65 points for a pop AND a DG is still INSANELY high.
Well, to be fair, it's the principle of the matter--whether UR calls that close should be called--that's being debated here. What Yu-Na actually scored is sort of irrelevant--this debate can and will still be beaten to dead-horseness even if Yu-Na had scored 80 or 50 pts for her performance today.
No worries, it's often hard to tell when someone is being sarcastic/joking when all you see is text (I've fallen victim to that myself, after all). Emoticons are definitely helpful, and maybe I'll choose to write in blue or something when I'm feeling particularly facetious so I won't be terribly misconstrued.
You gotta be kidding. I see huge gap between Miki's mechanical/boring style and Yuna's elegant/exciting style. Are you kidding? Did you forget about the difference in the score when Yuna won 2009 world title? She is in her class of her own.
I agree with Marie_S. Before I saw the live competition of Miki and Yuna at 2008 SA, I thought that they were in the same league. However, it was not. There is clearly huge gap btw two. Of course I liked Miki's powerful jumps and skatings.
I agree about Fumie's call, it was UR'd.
It's too bad I can't see Rachael's DG'd jump. She's usually very good with her jumps and almost never gets UR or edge calls.
I'd have to disagree with you about that. And again, it's too bad I can't see it either, but I don't believe it was such an obviously bad UR call. Ando also had problems fully rotating it later in the season. Maybe that's why she's doing a 3-2 instead of the 3-3 this season.
I agree with being fairer and not just railing against the establishment for "perfect" YuNa ('cause she's not perfect even on her better days...who is?) while ignoring injustices elsewhere.
However, I also have a suspicion that most figure skating fans do not come from a country who has had one good figure skater in its whole history, and she happens to be a top-tier skater getting a very unusual and tight UR call in a nation that is historically her "rival" country. I realize that YuNa-bots are one of the most annoying and persistent fanatics, but I also feel there is a lot of self-righteousness directed at them for being un-uniquely human. Most of them are more fans of YuNa than of Figure Skating itself and I myself have argued with more than a handful of them as I am wont to do. But it seems the best thing to do is to flag those posts, let the mods do their job, and move on. The very fact that they typically have less than 20 posts means it's not worth "fighting" with them. Or if you're going to complain about those types of posters, then at least be consistent, as there are other "once in a blue moon" type of negative posters who are obviously fans of other skaters...
No, I am not kidding. Yu-Na didn't make TWO MAJOR mistakes in the SP like singling a triple and under-rotating her triple toe in the jump combo either in the Worlds SP. Without question, when both are clean, Kim definitely beats Ando, hands down, but Yu-Na was far from clean in this SP and she is way too close in the scores with a clean Miki. If Yu-Na went clean and only scored less than 1 point above a 2 major mistakes skate by Miki, I have a feeling you'd be questioning the placements too.
Last edited by museksk8r; 12-04-2009 at 09:15 PM.
You should buy a pair of glasses. You need to corrrect your eye-sight. Do you have a decent health insurance to cover it?
Last edited by rossdale; 12-04-2009 at 09:23 PM.
I do not buy your assessment that Miki did her clean performance at all. Her jumps yesterday were not as good as before. Her 3-2 jump clearly showed under-rotation. Another triple and double axel were also weak. You can not say "clean" just based on no popping or no falls. Maybe she did "pretend to be clean" performance
It's true that Yu-Na's score was too high if you consider the [color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color] downgrade she received. She is overinflated in several areas of her score, even if she IS probably the most talented lady skating today.
Her score was accurate for the performance she actually gave, though. 65 points with a popped jump is fine, when you consider her amazing 3-3. I would have put her ahead of Miki (who made a mistake on the Layback, remember).
All in all...I wish the edge call idiocy on Yu-Na's Flip wouldn't have happened last year. She should be doing a 3Flip-3Toe combo and a 3Lutz out of footwork, as she always has.
These calls are like Michelle Kwan being told that her Spiral Sequence deserves a penalty.
It simply makes no sense at all and, as a skater, when you are told that one of your BEST elements is actually flawed (when it really isn't)...that seriously messes with your head.
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