Anyways, I agree with you--the UR call on Yu-Na's 3T is definitely questionable. I actually agree with people like you and Blades of Passion who were giving reasonable, measured and fairly objective reasons for why Yu-Na's 3T should not be downgraded. What I was objecting to, however, were previous posters like the one who automatically assumed that Yu-Na was the recipient of unfair tech calls because the the tech caller was Japanese (despite the fact that today's tech caller was Swiss, IIRC).
As for my apparent tendency to distortedly summarize other people's opinions...well, I'll leave that for another thread, this one is getting too cluttered.
That UR is hard to see (if it's present). Some people can't see it after watching the video for several times, but that's just because they don't see it. I think I saw it the first time when I saw the performance for the first time, it was like "hey, something strange just happened". But I don't know really, maybe I'm wrong and that call is, in fact, unfair. And there are a lot of people who don't see it, so maybe they are right.I'm not too sure I see that so much as I see a horde of Yuna uberfans showing up to protest her DG. I mean come on guys, 65 points for a pop AND a DG is still INSANELY high.
65 points is not insanely high at all, looking at her overall quality.
Last edited by Daniel5555; 12-04-2009 at 09:40 PM.
Well, to be fair, it's the principle of the matter--whether UR calls that close should be called--that's being debated here. What Yu-Na actually scored is sort of irrelevant--this debate can and will still be beaten to dead-horseness even if Yu-Na had scored 80 or 50 pts for her performance today.
It's too bad I can't see Rachael's DG'd jump. She's usually very good with her jumps and almost never gets UR or edge calls.
I agree with being fairer and not just railing against the establishment for "perfect" YuNa ('cause she's not perfect even on her better days...who is?) while ignoring injustices elsewhere.
However, I also have a suspicion that most figure skating fans do not come from a country who has had one good figure skater in its whole history, and she happens to be a top-tier skater getting a very unusual and tight UR call in a nation that is historically her "rival" country. I realize that YuNa-bots are one of the most annoying and persistent fanatics, but I also feel there is a lot of self-righteousness directed at them for being un-uniquely human. Most of them are more fans of YuNa than of Figure Skating itself and I myself have argued with more than a handful of them as I am wont to do. But it seems the best thing to do is to flag those posts, let the mods do their job, and move on. The very fact that they typically have less than 20 posts means it's not worth "fighting" with them. Or if you're going to complain about those types of posters, then at least be consistent, as there are other "once in a blue moon" type of negative posters who are obviously fans of other skaters...
Last edited by museksk8r; 12-04-2009 at 10:15 PM.
It's true that Yu-Na's score was too high if you consider the [color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color][color=red]*[/color] downgrade she received. She is overinflated in several areas of her score, even if she IS probably the most talented lady skating today.
Her score was accurate for the performance she actually gave, though. 65 points with a popped jump is fine, when you consider her amazing 3-3. I would have put her ahead of Miki (who made a mistake on the Layback, remember).
All in all...I wish the edge call idiocy on Yu-Na's Flip wouldn't have happened last year. She should be doing a 3Flip-3Toe combo and a 3Lutz out of footwork, as she always has.
These calls are like Michelle Kwan being told that her Spiral Sequence deserves a penalty.
It simply makes no sense at all and, as a skater, when you are told that one of your BEST elements is actually flawed (when it really isn't)...that seriously messes with your head.