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MNP-30

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Very interesting...

According to an article I found online, Yuna received +1.6 GOEs for her downgraded 3-3 combo. It's interesting..... if it was a downgrade-worthy, the judges would've given her negative GOEs but seems like the judges and tech. specialist aren't really saying the same thing, I guess.
 

dlgpffps

Final Flight
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Nov 14, 2009
Looks like a super-strict technical caller....like the one at Skate America 2007, I guess.

So did such strict rules apply to every skater? I'm not trying to get anywhere with this (the last thing I want is a brawl between uber fans), but I am really confused. I just can't get my head around this.
 
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sus2850

Rinkside
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Oct 12, 2009
Whatever she was judging, I don't think you should make fun of her name, she has a perfectly normal swiss name and decided to keep her maiden name as well.
 

sjwh08

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Oct 30, 2009
So did such strict rules apply to every skater? I'm not getting trying to get anywhere with this (the last thing I want is a brawl between uber fans), but I am really confused. I just can't get my head around this.

Best to forget all this immediately. To be honest, I'm not a big fan of blaming referees (mainly because it always ends up being a major waste of time). But I couldn't help it due to a too big of a BS call today. I'm going to try to forget this asap myself.
 

gourry

Final Flight
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Nov 7, 2007
Ahh....
The < on Yuna's 3T is just ridiculous.:disagree: That combination was a humongous thing of beauty. Based on her score, I guess the judges also didn't see that.

Well, Alena looked a bit nervous and didn't really have that spark she usually radiates so I think her score is a bit lenient.
Ashley was great other than her usual flutz and a bit underrotated 2A.
I don't remember how Akiko did very well but I guess she also did very good. She did 3L instead of 3Lz unlike other ladies so maybe she lost some points there.
Joannie-well, it was not her day today. Overall she looked somewhat cautious and stiff.
Miki did fine I guess.
Yuna looked great except the popped flip, and again that downgrade is just sooooo strange. I feel sorry for her!

Well, the standing after SP is definately very unexpected and I think some posters who seem to hate how everything is already decided after SP here would be really happy about that.:cool:
Anyway, can't wait for LP!
 

evangeline

Record Breaker
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Nov 7, 2007
So did such strict rules apply to every skater? I'm not trying to get anywhere with this (the last thing I want is a brawl between uber fans), but I am really confused. I just can't get my head around this.

I can't confirm that until the protocols are out, but she seemed to have given Ashley Wagner's jumps a thumbs-down too. Joannie didn't seem to get the benefit of doubt either.
 
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Roman Kacew

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Nov 26, 2009
According to an article I found online, Yuna received +1.6 GOEs for her downgraded 3-3 combo. It's interesting..... if it was a downgrade-worthy, the judges would've given her negative GOEs but seems like the judges and tech. specialist aren't really saying the same thing, I guess.

that's what i think!!!!!!!!!!
 

figurejennah

On the Ice
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According to an article I found online, Yuna received +1.6 GOEs for her downgraded 3-3 combo. It's interesting..... if it was a downgrade-worthy, the judges would've given her negative GOEs but seems like the judges and tech. specialist aren't really saying the same thing, I guess.

Can you give me the article source? I would love to read it.
So either Judges are insane or the tech specialist should jump out the window. :rofl:

I am seriously depressed right now. Yuna made me come back to figure skating, this is like Salt lake all over again for me. I really wish Yuna was
Canadian or American.... She would have been treated like the queen after Kwan. (And since I live in the States I would've loved to see her at the US nationals!!!lol -sorry Korean fans, no offense!!!) After watching Chan's PCS, I really believe so.
 
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steyn

On the Ice
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Mar 28, 2008
According to an article I found online, Yuna received +1.6 GOEs for her downgraded 3-3 combo. It's interesting..... if it was a downgrade-worthy, the judges would've given her negative GOEs but seems like the judges and tech. specialist aren't really saying the same thing, I guess.

Hmm.. So it seems Yu-Na was benefitted from the rule revised this season that downgraded jumps do not necessarily get negative GOEs. I thought she would be the last person to get such a benefit. Whopping +1.6 GOE for a downgraded jump! Something is not quite right here.
 

Tango_D_R

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Oct 24, 2009
OK, now there's a newsflash showing her scores in 3-3.
The 3T was downgraded and the score is 8.9

Which means she got +1.6 GOE on her downgraded 3-2(Basic Value:7.3)

So, to sum up, the judges saw no problem on her triple-triple.
However, the tech specialist downgraded the same jump.

I really don't like to argue about the judging,
however IMO the tech specialist's decision today was clearly wrong judgement.
Not even near DG, nope. :disapp:
I have to say, this downgrade was a very controversial decision.

I watched the broadcast(Asahi's) live with a big-screen TV (there slow-mo was fabulous by the way.. that whole frame-cut effect thingy..:laugh:), and frankly.. this 3T >
I seriously just don't get it. Not even a doubt. :frown2:

1/4 my azz..:laugh:
 

camion

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Apr 30, 2005
I think many of the discussions going on here prove that COP is a horrid tool... Yeah; neurotic, nervous wrecks, no one consistent, no stars (only stars that get downgraded by evil tech callers :p... wasn't COP supposed to put an end to all that discussion about favoritism?)... If you read this thread you'll see it all.

Anyway; twitter from Ashley: "Note to self: skating cautiously leads to mediocrity."
Dear Ashley, you are far from mediocre, it wasn't your best skate just as it wasn't your worst. Go for it tomorrow!

I hope someone will put her SP at youtube... I'd like to know if she got dinged for more than a two-foot and a wrong edge... It's silly how we can't make sense of figure skating without a long list of unreadable protocols. Sighs.

Great post. CoP is freakin' cryptic. And tech callers aren't consistent enough so that viewers are always having to play guessing games. Don't worry about Ashley, she's a fighter & she always seem to be revved up even more when she's not satisfied in her SP.

And figurejennah, can you stop your inference to an underlying scheme? By your logic the person that gave Yuna a +1 GOE for her first combo at SA in the LP would have to be a Korean judge, right? I'm being sarcastic, but, sigh- I want to enjoy a competition where there isn't any nationalistic conspiracy theories. Yuna's 3-3 looked clean to me, but her top portion of the blade did catch a bit & so can it possibly be that the tech caller simply made a mistake?
 

sjwh08

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Oct 30, 2009
Hmm.. So it seems Yu-Na was benefitted from the rule revised this season that downgraded jumps do not necessarily get negative GOEs. I thought she would be the last person to get such a benefit. Whopping +1.6 GOE for a downgraded jump! Something is not quite right here.

What about a whopping DG for +1.6 GOE jump?
 

dlgpffps

Final Flight
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Nov 14, 2009
Hmm.. So it seems Yu-Na was benefitted from the rule revised this season that downgraded jumps do not necessarily get negative GOEs. I thought she would be the last person to get such a benefit. Whopping +1.6 GOE for a downgraded jump! Something is not quite right here.

I think what's "not quite right" is the fact that a perfectly rotated 3-3 has been DG. I've counted three times. It may not be up to her usual caliber, but it's not enough to be DG either, and I think the judges agree with me (that 1.6 GOE says it all), as do a number of the posters here at GSF. Do technical judges change from SP to LP? I don't want to see Kim's gorgeous 3Lz-3T fallaciously DG again.

Now that I have that out of my system, I wish the Korean media would stop smothering her. Reporters both Korean and Japanese have been giving her loads of pressure concerning her SA performance and 3F (questions such as "Can you actually jump the 3F? Why did you miss it?" are asked). With that in the back of her mind, I doubt that she can perform impeccably like she so wants to. People should seriously just leave her alone. I swear, the pressure is getting to her. Big time!
 
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