I wonder if Jenny Kirk is going to write an article about PCS favourtism after this event, since Jeremy Abbott was virtually crushed in PCS here by a skater whose choreography, interpretation and skating skills are arguably worse. But of course, it's only favourtism and score inflation when it benefits those evil Euros. :sheesh:
I'm sorry; I got up late. Evan WON?
And Johnny medaled as well?
Yikes, American ladies can't win Dogcatcher of the Year, and two of our guys are on the podium at GPF.
Wow. Good going, guys!
What Jenny writes is a matter of her own opinion and she constantly manages to write things that many of us find controversial and at times amusing.
I hope she does file a report on the GPF. I wonder if she will comment about Akiko's scores at this event?
As to CoP and the judges - I guess you were joking right? How can a CoP defender use the argument that "the judges don't know how to use the system" be taken seriously?
That sounds more like an admission of and agreement with my point than a defense of CoP
My comments were directed more to the fans who feel jealous and even hurt that Evan's marks today are unfair when compared to Lambiel's marks from a few seasons ago, or to Plushy's marks from a different event, etc..
Such comments and complaints, many from very knowledgeable fans seem to show an uncontrollable bitterness over Evan's success - more than any meaningful or rational discussion about today's GPF competition.
But he is usually strong at Nationals. So I hope we will see him to that there!
Take PCS for instance. Skater X is a rocking performer, has the skate of his life...but his programs clearly lack transitions. In theory, Skater X should receive high 7s or low 8s for his Performance mark, but much lower for his Transitions score....let's say, a 4 or 5. However, what happens in reality is that the judges often tend to score the separate PCS components very close together....so in reality, Skater X may receive mid-to-high 7s for his Transitions despite not having many. Isn't this the fault of the judges? And by the way, I never said that judges didn't know how to use the system....I instead meant that the judges may not be using the system properly--i.e. using PCS as placeholder marks, for instance. There's a difference there.
As for Lysacek....well, some people genuinely don't feel he deserves nearly-straight 8s across the board for his PCS. But it is perhaps unfair that people take it out on him--it's the judges that give him those scores, after all.
Last edited by evangeline; 12-05-2009 at 10:43 AM.
People are not looking at Evan right and strange as it seems they are judging him like a 6.0 skater. I believe Johnny would find it much easier to beat Evan under 6.0 than CoP.
Evan is just doing what Plushy did back in '06. He is milking the CoP system for all it is worth accentuating his strengths and successfully keeping his weaknesses below the surface.
I thought he skated exceptionally well and deserved to win. I don't think Evan would win as much under the old system when it was fair for a judge to say, "I like the other skater better." Today they have to award points for elements and the way they are executed. I don't like Evan's steps but it is easy to see he is not skating for me but for the judges. His steps are CoP steps and they score well. So do his spins and his exceptional energy and commanding ice presense.
Evan is the type of skater who is rewarded by CoP scoring .
I agree with you it is silly to take anger out on Evan when it is the system and judges that are rewarding Evan. It wouldn't hurt if quite a few (maybe all) of the other guys considered training as hard as Evan does - to actually train like they are athletes at a sporting event and not skaters in pretty costumes.
If he medals at US Natls he will go to Vancouver. If he doesn't he will not.
He has been skating better and since it is his last season I wish him good luck.
If meltdowns occur in Vancouver Johnny could possibly medal with a great skate.
I see nothing wrong with Rippon, Mroz and other youngsters waiting their turn so to speak.
And Jeremy may be the one who is left home if he skates poorly at Natls..
Over the years I have defended and defended this system to many ppl but with this GPF, I am officially giving up. I flared up specifically here cos Evan won with his PSC (his total TES was 2nd behind Oda) and Oda lost beacuse of his PCS. I simply cannot accept a system where criteria, whose objectivity is questioned, can determine the outcome. So far, I was lenient on the system cos the overall placements usually seemed fair but I'm more and more seeing that it is clearly not going into the right direction. I am actually going to jump the shark and say that under 6.0, the artistic judging was actually better than this system.
So for me the solution is simple. Enhance the sportive aspects, reduce the subjectivity, even if it means also penalizing some skaters I strongly favour. For example, going back to the 6.0 system for artistic marks and reducing the weight of PCS by at least 50% would help. After all, the TES scores' history is much less questionable from what we've seen, even with the GOEs.
And I dont think this is anything to do with EUro vs Asia vs America. Neither has it anything to do with Evan or anyone else. Was it not for such abnormal inflation, I could go on disliking Evan and his style but not going on a hatred spree for him. I guess same goes for some ppl with Joubert or Plushy.
So after this point, I am officially giving up defending and I am going to the other side (I seem to be full of Star Wars quotes these days..)
If one questioned a score, the one bullet would justify any negative mark.
I'm not against judges' opinions as I do not know of any other method to evaluate this part of the result. Just something to live with.
But Evangeline, you too, have a right to opinions. There's no school that teaches better opinions.