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    I'm just gonna interject with my useless thoughts that I'm happy about the placements and performances by the top 3 men, and Jeremy's lovely LP.

    Evan is not my cup of tea even when he skates well...but he skated well so good job on a Gold well-earned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Evan is just doing what Plushy did back in '06. He is milking the CoP system for all it is worth accentuating his strengths and successfully keeping his weaknesses below the surface.
    I agree with that. But Evan is not doing what Plush does, from any possible angle, sorry.
    One slight problem when marks of Lysacek came out was that Takahashi had not skated yet and he leaded only by 0.10 in sp. When scores are so tight it becomes more of an issue rather than the inflated marks that most skaters receive one day or another. Imagine if Takahashi had popped only an axel and didnt do a quad, everything else fine. He maybe have won, he maybe had also inflated marks, but he could have lost also to a narrow margin, and this time marks would have been be critical, who knows of course and I m talking fairy tales now.
    I have no prob with Lysacek winning, neither about his pcs which seem to be subjective is some part. I thought Tes was more objective though and I dont get the +Goe in some jumps he got.
    Anyway, in Olympics I will do zen exercises and eat lots of lemons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    I agree with that. But Evan is not doing what Plush does, from any possible angle, sorry.
    One slight problem when marks of Lysacek came out was that Takahashi had not skated yet and he leaded only by 0.10 in sp. When scores are so tight it becomes more of an issue rather than the inflated marks that most skaters receive one day or another. Imagine if Takahashi had popped only an axel and didnt do a quad, everything else fine. He maybe have won, he maybe had also inflated marks, but he could have lost also to a narrow margin, and this time marks would have been be critical, who knows of course and I m talking fairy tales now.
    I have no prob with Lysacek winning, neither about his pcs which seem to be subjective is some part. I thought Tes was more objective though and I dont get the +Goe in some jumps he got.
    Anyway, in Olympics I will do zen exercises and eat lots of lemons.
    You are complaining about a 6.0 scenario.
    Speedy promised that the skater's order would no longer matter under CoP.
    Am I missing something here? Are you admitting another flaw in CoP?

    Is my argument about CoP finaly accepted only because Evan won today

    Hello - earth to fans - Evan also won the WC and finished first at WTT. Don't act like he never won before

    Evan is different than Plushy. He can perform difficult spins and his steps are getting good marks. He also doesn't take breaks and finishes stronger than he starts. Plushy was too tired to finish his LP at COR, his spins and steps were mediocre - but his jumps were the best. Except for the mistake on the lutz.

    I thought Evan won and will leave this argument about his scores to others.

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    I didnt say the order of skating but the little difference in marks takahashi and evan had from the sp, so their marks in Lp would be critical for the medals.
    As I didnt say Evan didnt deserve his win.

    You can compare Lysacek to Plushenko as much as you want, but I wont play the game, I m sorry but I just cant

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    One slight problem when marks of Lysacek came out was that Takahashi had not skated yet and he leaded only by 0.10 in sp. When scores are so tight it becomes more of an issue rather than the inflated marks that most skaters receive one day or another.
    In my opinion, in CoP system a skater gets the marks he deserves, those marks must not depend on, who is going to skate after him. In 6,0 system there was that fault sometimes, the early skaters suffered, but not always. I remember that in 1996 WC sp Ilia Kulik was second to skate and he won sp.

    Besides, I have do doubts that if Takahashi had skated his freeskate with all jumps and had succeeded in spins, his marks would have been very high, too.

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    Good for Oda thou. Silver is very good, he had at least one so-so FS to get out of his system. Right now he is on a roll and just needs to carry his momentum for 3 more months.

    Too bad about Takahashi. I'm not surprise, b/c he never do well under pressure in major international events. Hope he come back strong for the Olympics. I think he should ditch the 4T and just skate for a clean 8 triples program. with his PCS, mark a clean 8 triples program should get him over 160+ for sure and he has that killer SP to keep cushion.

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    BTW, does anybody know why two of his non jump elemets are not given credited???

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    Congratulations to all the medalists, especially Evan! He won it fair and square. Action speaks louder than word, the best way to prove yourself is to let the skating speak for itself. He's not only a great competitor, but also a smart skater, both of his programs are very CoP friendly, in addition, the choreo and emotion build up nicely with the music, wonderful choices for the Olympic season. I hope he'll keep the good momentum and peak at the Olympics.

    Very happy for team USA and team Japan, both have very deep men's field and have good chance to make the podium in Vancouver.

    Overall, this is a great competition, with many clean or almost clean programs and remarkable performances. All atheletes should all be proud of themselves. The only one made me sad is Tomas, what's going on with him? Is it physical or mental? He totally lost focus here. It's OK to fall and make mistake, but it's not OK to give up and stop fighting. He has so much talent but yet to skate to his potential. I really hope he could learn good lessons from this experience and get his mojo back in the next 2 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    As I didnt say Evan didnt deserve his win.

    You can compare Lysacek to Plushenko as much as you want, but I wont play the game, I m sorry but I just cant
    You started by comparing Plushy to Evan. I think you had enough sodas already

    And please tell Plush he is too pale and needs some tan to look like he is a alive

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    Quote Originally Posted by hikki View Post
    Sorry for the late reply. icenetwork live feed.
    Thanks! I was afraid you were going to say that. My live feed cut off before the interview and I just finished watching the Men Free Skate on demand version and they didn't show it there. Do hope it shows up somewhere eventually!

    Thanks again.

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    Congratulations to Evan! Well done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    I'm just gonna interject with my useless thoughts that I'm happy about the placements and performances by the top 3 men, and Jeremy's lovely LP.

    Evan is not my cup of tea even when he skates well...but he skated well so good job on a Gold well-earned.
    I agree.
    Poor Jeremy

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    I haven't seen any of the skates yet but am I seeing straight? Johnny beat Evan on TES (77.25 to 75.60) but Evan trounced him on PCS (84 to 75.50)?

    Also how does Evan with a popped Axel crush clean Oda or Jeremy with one fall on PCS?

    Lemon sucking alert: I've been inclined to accept this scoring system until now but if the result is Evan as OGM I've had it. I salute his hard work, drive, and strength. I commend the coaching and programming strategies of Carroll and Nichol simply (and only) because they're working. But he is quite plainly the most unpleasant-looking elite skater I have ever seen. There is absolutely no beauty and no effort at beauty - just force and speed. His all-black costumes just accentuate his gangly form. Sorry to be so sour.

    No one is ever going to change my mind about that but surely someone can explain what the heck is so superior about his skating skills and choreography?

    I'm very sorry I wasn't able to get to SA because I thought maybe in person (as some have said) I might finally see something attractive in his skating.

    TV time! Maybe this time I'll finally "get" him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilyOfTheValley View Post
    They have to. Grand Prix Final is in the new selection criteria. Johnny's medal does matter.
    It won't matter at all if Johnny skates poorly and Rippon or Mroz win a medal.

    The placement at Natls is about 80% or more of the criteria.
    It is a tradition that goes way back, and there is no reason to change it for a "luck of the draw" mini tournament like the GP series.

    Johnny skated well at NHK and the GPF and he looks like a sure bet to make the team.
    But he has to earn it by skating well at Natls.

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    My personal opinion is that the US should send the three men here, but I know they have to deliver at Nats.

    Interjecting to also say that Jeremy was awesome today

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