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    Quote Originally Posted by rossdale View Post
    I agree with you. Yuna deserves better GOEs. Ando's skating was very powerful. I wish she did more aggressive skating in terms of technical elements. When can I see her to try 3-3 and 4S? Perhaps in Ohympics?
    Me, too, but I think her goal was not to beat Yuna per se, but to get a spot on the Oly team, b/c the JSF stated that the highest finisher can get an automatic spot. Miki had to make sure she placed higher than Akiko, and I think that's why she skated fairly conservatively. (Also given Akiko's score, she knew she didn't have to do 3/3 to beat her. It would've been worse if Miki tried and fell...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Miki thinks that she was able to perform 48% of her potential from the practice. 48%.... Very detailed assessment.
    I put it at 53.86% myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I put it at 53.86% myself.
    Holy Molly~

    I estimated it to be 108.705057%.

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    Anybody know why Joannie has dropped the 2A-2A sequence? She's done that for the last few years, now she only does 2A or 2A-2T. I would think she could rack up some extra points with an extra 2A.

    It doesn't look good for her. I'm hoping she has an Elizabeth Manley moment, by lowering expectations with a series of bad performances and then saving the best for the Olympics. But it looks like the pressure is getting to her.

    I think Miki Ando is looking like a good bet for gold. If she gets the 3L-3L and Yuna continues to make mistakes, she's got it in the bag I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hughgraham2 View Post
    I think Miki Ando is looking like a good bet for gold. If she gets the 3L-3L and Yuna continues to make mistakes, she's got it in the bag I think.
    Umm, I wouldn't say that. Actually, Yuna has it in the bag unless she messes up, and she has to mess up big as well. (Which is not impossible, as the past two events showed.) What this does is it puts Ando in the prime "dark horse" position- of course, she has to be clean as well or she'll be out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hughgraham2 View Post
    Anybody know why Joannie has dropped the 2A-2A sequence? She's done that for the last few years, now she only does 2A or 2A-2T. I would think she could rack up some extra points with an extra 2A.

    It doesn't look good for her. I'm hoping she has an Elizabeth Manley moment, by lowering expectations with a series of bad performances and then saving the best for the Olympics. But it looks like the pressure is getting to her.

    I think Miki Ando is looking like a good bet for gold. If she gets the 3L-3L and Yuna continues to make mistakes, she's got it in the bag I think.
    I think Joannie stated earlier in the season that she plans a 2A-3T combination. Point-wise it's not a big difference, but the article in question said that when you add something technically, sometimes it can help with the PCS because the judges see you in a new light. Especially in this case, it's a combination ending in a triple jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen o'neill View Post
    I was so pleased with the number of really good programs at this competition ; programs that stood out from the others and suited the skaters. As far as I could tell on my monitor,there was no problem with placement of elements or ice coverage , though you can't always tell 100%. Keeping that in mind..

    My faves, in no particular order : Akiko's program just would not quit, and what a little firecracker she was. I think you can already see the young lady beginning to come out in her command of the character of the piece...Ashley's program was filled with so many beautiful positions and movements,and her expression to the music throughout was lovely. I don't know who her choreographer is, but hats off. Hope she gets the jump thing worked out... Joannie's program, though under performed , is another fave and uniquely Joannie. I believe this is Lori Nichol's work.. and completely different from what she's done for other skaters ( e.g. Alissa Czisny).. .For that matter, isn't Lori responsible for Yuna's program ? - also on my list of faves. Very Yuna, very Gershwin..a gem. All these skaters had from good to exquisite costumes, as well - probably from a variety of designers.

    Leonova's program was OK with some very nice touches, but not a rave for me. Love her energy, her personality, abandon..hope they won't try to make her a Slutskaya clone.( The temptation must be there..) Let her be herself. Herself is already appealing..Costume ...meh..not offensive , not obscuring, but not particularly 'Chicago' and a bit too busy for me.

    That leaves poor Miki's program. I do say poor Miki and I do say it's sad, because we'll never see the best that Miki is capable of unless / until she leaves Morozov...regardless of the scores she manages to garner.... This is my knock on him ; his choreography is all about creating and maintaining the Morozov brand, not about what suits the skater, what celebrates their unique qualities. Morozov is the star. He started out with top talent, thanks to his association with Tarasova , so I think there's some question as to how much he is responsible for their success, or they for his...Whether or not politics plays any part in the results or in the skater's motivation for seeking him out in the first place, I'll leave open. Even on the podium,it seems a harsh price to pay for a lovely and talented skater to have to stand there in what looks like a raunchy halloween costume next to a competitor who looks like she's been dressed by a top designer.

    Maybe Miki could have a flash of inspiration and flee to Yuka Sato...

    I strongly doubt that you have any genuine concern for Miki.

    First of all, I noticed in your fist post that you did not congratulate Miki on her Silver, nor have any kind words for her at all.

    And yet, you made sure to congratulate others.

    No need to explain why you omitted her from your cheers. It’s clear.

    That says it all right there, despite your attempt in this new post to hide it with words like lovely and talented.

    Second, her character is Cleopatra. Of course the costume would be wild and exotic.

    It’s Cleopatra !

    There are plenty of people who love her costume.
    I'll quote one of them from this very thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel5555 View Post
    I liked a lot Miki's performance and I think she was really close to Yuna. Her program and costume have to be remembered. It was great.
    People do have different taste . Whether you think it’s poor taste or not. Deal with it.

    And from ice network, a post with a mention about choreography.


    [/QUOTE]Besides the hand down on the one jump that was pretty darn awesome! Great footwork and choreography, killer jumps, and a whole lot of speed and attack.[/QUOTE]


    You can keep your pity.

    Miki doesn’t need your pity, nor would she want it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.D. View Post
    Umm, I wouldn't say that. Actually, Yuna has it in the bag unless she messes up, and she has to mess up big as well. (Which is not impossible, as the past two events showed.) What this does is it puts Ando in the prime "dark horse" position- of course, she has to be clean as well or she'll be out of it.
    I agree. Some people would say I'm biased for Yuna, but I'm trying to assess the situation objectively. Yuna has only proven that Philip Hersh was right. He wrote that Yuna would not be beaten, although her performance is below the expectation. We know that Yuna had enormous burden to top her own world record at SA, which contributed to her meltdown in her FS. This happened the day after she made another world record in her SP. Meltdown is not the same with a mistake. She doesn't have such burden now. At this GPF, a big, unusual fall a few seconds before her SP affected her during the program. A news article called it a spectacular fall. (Don't tell me she was making an excuse. After SP, Japanese reporters asked her why she missed her flip, and she said that answering the question. They even asked her how the fall affected her.) On the second day, we know that she skated with a broken blade. The blade on her left boot was damaged on Saturday, so she had to skate carefully. You can see previous posts on it in this thread. We also know that there was a controversial judgment on her combination jump in her SP. Don't say that I'm defending her. Those are facts.

    Ando got her season's best here in Japan. Rochette got her own in Canada. Asada Mao got her best record in Japan earlier this ear, and she has gotten her high scores mostly in Japan. Like many other sports, home advantage exists in figure skating despite nationalities of judges and techs. Rochette didn't skate well in this GPF because she must have had jet lag and, as observed, had some bad condition. Ando didn't do well earlier in previous Grand Prix events, although she got two gold medals. Yuna is very consistent regardless of all kinds of troubles and even her past injuries. She is heathier and mentally stronger. She won all five events she entered this year. The Olympics will take place in Canada where she is training with Brian Orser. She will not go anywhere until after the Olympics training hard. Figure skating is treacherous, but I think it's highly unlikely that she will mess it up in the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queens Guy View Post
    Yuna is very consistent regardless of all kinds of troubles and even her past injuries. She is heathier and mentally stronger. She won all five events she entered this year. The Olympics will take place in Canada where she is training with Brian Orser. She will not go anywhere until after the Olympics training hard. Figure skating is treacherous, but I think it's highly unlikely that she will mess it up in the Olympics.
    ITA. Yuna is a tough cookie, she's not one to have a complete meltdown. A couple falls sometimes, but still manages to present and keep her cool throughout her programs. The gold is hers to lose.

    Miki is definitely an OM contender, but I don't think she'll get gold. As for Mao, I put her about even with Miki right now, maybe a little lower. There's just not much room for improvement with her current program. Even if she lands her triple axels, she still has no 3-3 and she flutzes and her 2loops on the end of combinations often look UR. She's very expressive but her program music doesn't showcase this, her LP music is like background music for her jumps which recently she'd been messing up...

    I just watched the junior ladies FS though and the future looks bright for the US, Russia, and Japan. Kanako Murakami does 3-3s and reminds me a lot of Mao at 15, she's that good. Christina Gao who skates for the US trains with Brian Orser in Toronto (I thought Yuna was his only student until now) and is also lovely, nearly the spitting image of 14 year old Yuna. There are 3 strong Russian girls, my favorite is Anna Ovcharova (though she finished 5th) she is only 13 and has so much energy! Polina Shelepen also does 3-3s and skates very fast for such a tiny girl. Her jumps look a little shaky on the landing though, idk how well they'll hold up once she grows. Ksenia Makarova was also very good, she is 16 and much more mature in her looks and presentation, anyone know if she can go to the Olympics? I know she's only a junior but age wise she is eligible. How many spots does Russia get?

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    Well, I'm watching the NBC broadcast of GPF now and it's clear that Rochette is losing momentum quickly...Wagner stayed on her feet but she still has work to do if she wants to be competitive at the top level. Yuna just redeemed herself with that FS. Ando still to skate.

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    I watched the GPF, and I did so love seeing Orser after YuNa's skate. I just glow every time I see him with YuNa. He has made such good decisions on her behalf, and his calm demeanor must be so comforting at tough moments. He doesn't have to be a drill sergeant with her--she obviously works herself half to death without being ordered to. He and YuNa have done each other proud, and it couldn't happen to two nicer people.

    As far as skating goes, Ashley looked really wonderful in her program: she actually skates to the music! which is not as common as you'd think. The Polovetsian Dances is a great program for her.

    Suzuki--what a charming firecracker she is. I hope she'll be on the Olympic team, because it will be so great to see her again. She gives that spunky little grin, and I immediately feel happy and hopeful about skating in general and many of life's other difficulties, too.

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    Polina Shelepen also does 3-3s and skates very fast for such a tiny girl. Her jumps look a little shaky on the landing though, idk how well they'll hold up once she grows
    I don't think Polina's jumps are normally that shaky landing wise although her 3/3 didn't have great run out. It seemed to me that she was just really nervous in the long and it affected her landings. The fact that that her nerves just led to shaky landings and not her falling (is telling!) I will say though that I notice that she's reliant on fast rotation and not really a lot of spring to land her jumps it seems. Although her jumps have some height. That may be worrisome. Russia has if you noticed some other talented juniors who will be doing the JGP next year... The future is very bright for Russia in Sochi...

    Ando got her season's best here in Japan. Rochette got her own in Canada. Asada Mao got her best record in Japan earlier this ear, and she has gotten her high scores mostly in Japan. Like many other sports, home advantage exists in figure skating despite nationalities of judges and techs. Rochette didn't skate well in this GPF because she must have had jet lag and, as observed, had some bad condition. Ando didn't do well earlier in previous Grand Prix events, although she got two gold medals. Yuna is very consistent regardless of all kinds of troubles and even her past injuries. She is heathier and mentally stronger. She won all five events she entered this year. The Olympics will take place in Canada where she is training with Brian Orser. She will not go anywhere until after the Olympics training hard. Figure skating is treacherous, but I think it's highly unlikely that she will mess it up in the Olympics.
    I don't think hometown cooking was the issue with Ando's scores at all. While Miki's skate at NHK was not great at all, I actually thought her long program in Russia was a decent controlled effort with I believe five clean triple jumps (nothing to snuff at ALL). And as for her vs Rochette, the difference between the two of them is that Ando is not doing things like double lutzs in her programs. I mean its one thing to double the back end of a 3/3 or a double axel/3toe. But its a different thing to be doubling all kinds of single triples. I'd rather see the skater fall because at the very least they are going for things.

    I'd also point out that Ando is a late season skater. And so I think she's actually looking fairly strong for her. I also think think that Miki is gaining some momentum. She's been putting out accept for NHK, solid, controlled performances and is quitely sending a message to the judges that she's the one most likely to challenge Kim. This isn't going to be lost on the judges because the last thing they are going to want to see is Kim win the Olympics with a poor performance. So I bet a lot of money that a clean short program from Ando will score very well at the Olympics. (Even higher than what she got at :Worlds where she didn't have that kind of momentum)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Miki thinks that she was able to perform 48% of her potential from the practice. 48%.... Very detailed assessment.
    48%. not 50. I really wish she would have gone for the 3/3 and I think she does too. That said, it was a good skate overall and she has had a very consistant season.

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    I've just watched ladies long on NBC.

    I can't say enough about how beautifully Yuna's LP was executed. Two hiccups didn't feel like a "mess-up" at all. Such a beautiful program.

    Ash did great too! It seems more and more like that she'd make it to the Oly team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjwh08 View Post
    Ash did great too! It seems more and more like that she'd make it to the Oly team.
    but how heartbreaking it would be for her to build all this momentum just to have it come crashing down at Nats...(IOW, the most important comp is yet to come, and those spots are still fully up for grabs, or so I'd like to think)

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