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I would never write off mao because of her bad starting, and she is the most natural talented of the ladies in my opinion. When she doesnt apply this talent into her programs it is frustrating.
I dont know why her coach doesnt have a plan B or C in case she messes her axels. It looked that way in Russia.
This thing article that Tarasova is only her consultant upseted me very much...so who is her coach?
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Yagudin owes a LOT of his success to Alexei Mishin. Yagudin came to Tarasova with brilliant jumps/good skating skills and that was due to the teaching of Alexei Mishin. Even when he was with Tarasova he never stopped doing the exercises and drills that Mishin taught him. (Even his first coach was Mishin's former student).
Originally Posted by Mafke
Yes Tarasova helped him improve artistically. But without the technical foundation that was laid down by Mishin, Yagudin would have never been the champion he was.
Mishin has a brilliant ability to teach young children how to jump, while giving them also good basic skating technique. He's not the greatest packager, but as a technical coach I don't think Mishin is really second to anyone. I mean just look at how young Elizaveta is developing. Excellent skating skills, excellent edges, and GREAT jumping technique. That's Mishin's work.
He taught Alexei for years. Yes their partnership stopped working but for a long period of time it was quite successful.
Last edited by bekalc; 12-07-2009 at 10:18 AM.
I would switch Mao and Miki. If Miki is on par and does a 3lz-3lo she has a shot at beating a conservative Yuna. Unless Mao does all three of her 3axels. If even one is UR or popped, she's out. The reason why? The rest of her jumps in the LP.
Originally Posted by Phoenix347
3lo (often UR- or at least was at TEB)
3f-2lo-2lo (both loops often UR)
Mao does not attempt even one lutz, and her 3 jump combination is weak due to the high probability of one or both of her double loops being downgraded. Plus Yuna's 3lz-3t is worth more than Mao's 3a-2t (10 vs 9.5 points) and Yuna's chances of hitting that combination are much higher than Mao's are.
The other thing. Mao had a pretty good showing at TEB, and her score was 173.99. Rachael Flatt's score at SA, with the fall in the short and her last spin not counted (comparable mistakes to Mao's at TEB), was 174. 91. Just goes to show that the 3a really isn't THAT valuable, given it's huge risk factor. A 3lz-2t in the 2nd half of the program is pretty much the same in value as a 3a in the 1st half (8.03 vs 8.2 points). Rachael's 3f-2t-2lo at the end of the program is worth 9.13 points which is essentially the same as 9.5 that Mao's 3a-2t at the beginning of the program is worth. Her 3f-3t at the beginning is woth exactly the same, 9.5.
Rachael, Yuna, and Miki have mastered how to get the most points they can without taking huge risks. Mao has not. It's a lot easier to land a 3lz-2t than a 3a, or a 3f-2t-2lo, 3f-3t (for Rachael) or 3lz-3t (for Yunas) than a 3a-2t for Mao. If Rachael or Yuna were to double the second jump or UR it, it wouldn't completely kill the whole jump sequence. For Mao, there is a much bigger risk of this
Dec.25th to 27th, JST.
Originally Posted by snowflake
The criteria of JSF in sending skaters to Olympics and Worlds:
1. the skater reaching the highest among the Japanese on the GPF podium (not off the podium) of each discipline, this under the condition that the skater competes in the Nationals.
<Miki and Nobu already locked, unless they pull pull out of Nats>
2. the winner of the Japanese Nationals.
<If Miki and/or Nobu wins the Nats, it will be criterion #3 below applied to the 2nd place finisher, no automatic slot for him/her.>
3. selected from
(A) the podium finishers at Nationals,
(B) GP Finalists, and
(C) the top three Japanese ISU rankers at the time of Nationals;
determined under thorough considerations.
It says this criterion "3" in particular is primarily for Oly Games and that the slot(s) for the Worlds determined by this "3" might differ from the Olys, which is to give chances to runner ups.
Akiko Suzuki already satisfies 3(B) and 3(C) so she is at the moment the closest to the Oly games aside from Miki in this system, literal-wise.
But of course Mao who satisfies 3(C) and who happens to have a god chance for the automatic criterion "2" is the strongest bet among those chasing the 2 slots left for the Japanese ladies.
If Miki/Nobu wins Nats, the other 2 ladies/men sent to Worlds will possibly be different from those sent to Olys, especially the ladies.
Last edited by sorcerer; 12-12-2009 at 07:13 AM.
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Oh, thanks! Great!!!
Originally Posted by sorcerer
Wasn't 3(C) initially created to "rescue" Dai, as JFS was not sure in the beginning of the season if he would recover in the timely manner, IIRC? But now it seems to rescue Mao.
Then it seems clear that Mao would certainly go, no matter what. I do not know if it is good or not though, considering what happened 4 yrs ago with Miki.
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