View Poll Results: What would have the 2002 Olympic Ladies Podium looked like under COP?

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  • 1. Michelle Kwan 2. Irina Slutskaya 3. Sasha Cohen

    6 21.43%
  • 1. Michelle Kwan 2. Sasha Cohen 3. Irina Slutskaya

    4 14.29%
  • 1. Irina Slutskaya 2. Michelle Kwan 3. Sasha Cohen

    9 32.14%
  • 1. Irina Slutskaya 2. Sasha Cohen 3. Michelle Kwan

    6 21.43%
  • 1. Sasha Cohen 2. Michelle Kwan 3. Irina Slutskaya

    0 0%
  • 1. Sasha Cohen 2. Irina Slutskaya 3. Michelle Kwan

    0 0%
  • 1. Michelle Kwan 2. Irina Slutskaya 3. Fumie Suguri

    1 3.57%
  • 1. Irina Slutskaya 2. Michelle Kwan 3. Fumie Suguri

    1 3.57%
  • 1. Sasha Cohen 2. Irina Slutskaya 3. Maria Butyrskaya

    0 0%
  • 1. Fumie Suguri 2. Maria Butyrskaya 3. Sasha Cohen

    1 3.57%
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Thread: What would have the 2002 Olympic Ladies Podium looked like under COP?

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    What would have the 2002 Olympic Ladies Podium looked like under COP?

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    skating would have been different that night, kinda hard to guess.

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    I need to re-watch the top programs before I cast my vote, but yeah, Sarah Hughes would definitely be off the podium.

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    I voted Michelle, Sasha, Irina... Michelle would've had crazy PCS scores with fully rotated jumps. Sasha would not have been hammered for her fall and Irina would've been fallen under UR calls...

    Plus, I think Michelle's short program would've put her waaayy out front.

    And this is why I dislike CoP so very much. And you know I put the ub in Uber-ness...

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    I still kinda find it odd that you didn't even bother to put Sarah on any of the podium spots

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCOSurfer View Post
    I still kinda find it odd that you didn't even bother to put Sarah on any of the podium spots
    I know, it is weird... I actually just went back and re-watched the top five short programs just to see if my opinion changed and I actually still had Sarah in fourth. The main change was Sasha into second. But I'm not a techie like many on this board... so my analysts is always off. But I still have MK as the winner... I wish my intregrity would allow that to be a good thing - Sarah earned it the hard way and while heartbroken for Kwan, Hughes win is what makes the Games special, IMO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwanford Wife View Post
    Plus, I think Michelle's short program would've put her waaayy out front.
    Michelle probably would have been 3rd after the SP under CoP. Her 3Flip most likely would have been downgraded.

    Slutskaya definitely wins in 2002 under the current CoP. She would have received more points for the spins and jumps and the PCS wouldn't have been much lower than Kwan's.

    Hughes would have placed anywhere between 2nd to 4th, depending on the tech caller. I don't think any of her jumps were more than 1/4 turn underrotated but many of them were RIGHT on the line, so it's tricky to say how she would end up.

    Kwan would have been 2nd or 3rd overall depending on how Hughes got called and Cohen would have been 3rd or 4th.

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    I think if there had been COP scoring at these Games there would have been a big backlash, because as far as I can tell, Sarah did slightly under-rotate several triples and that would have put her behind Irina for sure and probably also Michelle, despite the fact that hers was clearly the audience's favorite performance of the night. Basically the same situation as Yukari Nakano at 2008 Worlds. I think Irina would have taken first in both segments, Michelle would have been second in both (high program component scores, justifiably so, of course!), and Sarah would have been fourth in the short, third in the long and overall.

    PS Slightly off topic, but I think under COP B and S would have won the pairs, taking first in the short by a big margin, coming in second in the long behind S and P but maintaining first overall!

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    I presume we are talking about today's COP (with UR and edge calls) and not the first couple years of COP, because those changes didn't come in immediately, if you remember.

    Remember that spirals are graded by edges as well as difficulty of position, so, for example, Sasha would only have level1 on the spiral sequence since the Charlotte was on the flat entirely, as was the dog pee spiral.

    Likewise remember to include the fact that speed and edging is a big part of current Skating Skills PCS points.

    For scorers at home:
    Hughes SP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5xZX-pSZqw
    Hughes LP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AP4hD5Zc4k


    Slutskaya SP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqFsZHWYxlo
    Slutskaya LP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqW0yv8j80E

    Kwan SP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-tfa1vO0jw
    Kwan LP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3np4_Whepg

    Cohen SP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1gJ5H3ubfA
    Cohen LP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfT_F68KWao

    Butyrskaya SP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhJzDP16-oA
    Butyrskaya LP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGsgG8nNVdk

    Suguri SP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bQtL4T5hrE
    Suguri LP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BaA_cziEaY


    I'll have to watch all of these before I give an answer.
    Last edited by dorispulaski; 12-19-2009 at 03:29 PM.

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    And also remember that the ladies have only 7 jumping passes under COP, so Michelle's final 3T wouldn't have counted.

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