Swiss Figure Skating Championships 2010 | Golden Skate

Swiss Figure Skating Championships 2010

Shaba22

Final Flight
Joined
Nov 22, 2008
LADIES SP
1 Sarah MEIER 64.44
2 Bettina HEIM 59.75
3 Myriam LEUENBERGER 53.36

MEN SP
1 Stéphane LAMBIEL 83.91
2 Jamal OTHMAN 70.13
3 Mikael REDIN 61.23
4 Moris PFEIFHOFER 55.52
5 Laurent ALVAREZ 53.22
 

evangeline

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 7, 2007
MEN SP
1 Stéphane LAMBIEL 83.91
2 Jamal OTHMAN 70.13
3 Mikael REDIN 61.23
4 Moris PFEIFHOFER 55.52
5 Laurent ALVAREZ 53.22[/QUOTE]

Hurray! But then again, Stephane would have to have a bomb of epic proportions and/or the Swiss Skating Fed would have to be on some serious crack if they don't crown Stephane as their National Champ and ship him off to Euros and the Olympics.

Alas, I have just checked the protocols and Stephane's jump problems have not seemed to improve much from earlier this year. 2A, 4T-1T and a 3F with -GoE is not very competitive with the top men :frown:

Hopefully Stephane will get back to form by February, though. Allez Stephane!
 

HCOSurfer

Final Flight
Joined
Feb 25, 2007
Just checked out the protocols and I'm curious about one thing, why did the men get a two point bonus in the SP and the ladies get a one point bonus?
 

Wicked

Final Flight
Joined
May 26, 2009
Alas, I have just checked the protocols and Stephane's jump problems have not seemed to improve much from earlier this year. 2A, 4T-1T and a 3F with -GoE is not very competitive with the top men :frown:

Hopefully Stephane will get back to form by February, though. Allez Stephane!

I'm worried about him. Stéphane barely landed that quad. And if he can't do the 3A, he has to do the quad in order to be at all competitive. Here's a vid that shows some highlights from his SP and a short interview in French- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl61jAwdCrA&feature=player_embedded

There's a report on Stéphane's forum that he will change his LP.
 

herios

Medalist
Joined
Jan 25, 2004
Check the website for the final results, obviosuly Sarah Meier and Stephane Lambiel won yet another national title. The marks are high of course, in order to get a better opinion what kind of skate they had, I looked up their TES mark, which tells the story more accurately (PCS are inflated being a National comp).

Stephane's TES mark doesn't look very good, is lower than the top 4 at GPF, and Sarah's about even with Ashley Wagner's technical mark, in her case that is not bad at all she could have had about 5 triples or so.
 

yelyoh

Medalist
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Jul 26, 2003
Country
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Yeah SL's GsOE were not great on several jumps inc. the 4t. And his combo jumps were 3/2 and of course there were the two 2a. Spins scored well and footwork ok. Not all that impressive but of course he has a couple of months before the Olys. These kinds of efforts won't get him on the podium if he doesn't improve though.
 

herios

Medalist
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Jan 25, 2004
After checking the protocols, Sarah Meier didn't skate well either. 3 triples and one of them with an edge call (flip).
 

evangeline

Record Breaker
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Nov 7, 2007
I'm worried about him. Stéphane barely landed that quad. And if he can't do the 3A, he has to do the quad in order to be at all competitive. Here's a vid that shows some highlights from his SP and a short interview in French- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl61jAwdCrA&feature=player_embedded

There's a report on Stéphane's forum that he will change his LP.

Thanks for the link! I'm glad he's definitely going to Euros, it'll be interesting to see how he performs there and how he stacks up against Joubert, Verner, etc.

Is there any word on what his LP will be changed to? I'm glad he's dropping the tango LP, it was much more effective as an exhibition than as a competitive program with some of the choreography taken out.
 

NatachaHatawa

Final Flight
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Feb 4, 2008
I've just checked out the score sheet for Stéphane Lambiel's LP and I was wondering if anone could explain what the "2bonus" at the end is?
 

Wicked

Final Flight
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May 26, 2009
Is there any word on what his LP will be changed to? I'm glad he's dropping the tango LP, it was much more effective as an exhibition than as a competitive program with some of the choreography taken out.

There was an interview linked on Stéphane's forum where he says he's working on a new program that is in "an embryonic state." Peter Grutter said they've been working on it for weeks. Stéphane said there will be a "surprise" at Euros. It seems he will debut the new program there. No word on music for it or anything.

Obviously Stéphane did not need to pull out all the stops (3A, triple-triple combo) to win Swiss Nats. He is so clearly the class of that competition. But what he showed worries me. These were his jumps according to a forum report-2А, 4T, 3Lutz , 3Loop, 3Т, 3F+2Т, 2А, 3S+2Т. He was low on the quad and had trouble with the landings on both the lutz and the loop. I hope he will be to ramp up the technical content because I don't think he will be on the podium at Euros or Olys with this.
 

museksk8r

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I've just checked out the score sheet for Stéphane Lambiel's LP and I was wondering if anone could explain what the "2bonus" at the end is?

The Russian federation awards their Nationals mens' contestants an added 2 points bonus for attempting the quad jump because they feel it is undervalued in the code of points. I guess the Swiss federation follows this line of thinking as well for their National Championships contestants who go for the quad.
 

museksk8r

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Obviously Stéphane did not need to pull out all the stops (3A, triple-triple combo) to win Swiss Nats. He is so clearly the class of that competition. But what he showed worries me. These were his jumps according to a forum report-2А, 4T, 3Lutz , 3Loop, 3Т, 3F+2Т, 2А, 3S+2Т. He was low on the quad and had trouble with the landings on both the lutz and the loop. I hope he will be to ramp up the technical content because I don't think he will be on the podium at Euros or Olys with this.

I wouldn't be too worried yet. Now, if this happens at Euros, then yes, he definitely would need to get his act together. Steph is wisely saving himself for when he needs to deliver magnificent programs, like at Europeans and Worlds. He has always kind of phoned in his performances at Nationals because there is just no one else in his country who can put up a challenge to him. It's more like a dress rehearsal/practice run-through of the program for him at his national championships.
 

Wicked

Final Flight
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I wouldn't be too worried yet. Now, if this happens at Euros, then yes, he definitely would need to get his act together. Steph is wisely saving himself for when he needs to deliver magnificent programs, like at Europeans and Worlds. He has always kind of phoned in his performances at Nationals because there is just no one else in his country who can put up a challenge to him. It's more like a dress rehearsal/practice run-through of the program for him at his national championships.

I guess my worry stems from the fact that he hasn't been challenged since his "retirement," which was over a year ago. He was the clear class of both the Nebelhorn Trophy and Swiss Nats fields, nobody else even close and his wins a foregone conclusion. I just wonder how he will do skating against his equals.
 

herios

Medalist
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The Russian federation awards their Nationals mens' contestants an added 2 points bonus for attempting the quad jump because they feel it is undervalued in the code of points. I guess the Swiss federation follows this line of thinking as well for their National Championships contestants who go for the quad.


Thanks for the input, but I doubt this is the case here. Several ladies got 1 bonus point, what is that for? What kind of "undervalued" elelment in the ladies program? And is not just the leading ladies got it, even the 18th classified one got one bonus point. For example, Mikael Redin was 3rd in the LP and he got 2 bonus points and had no quad attempts
 
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NatachaHatawa

Final Flight
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Feb 4, 2008
The Russian federation awards their Nationals mens' contestants an added 2 points bonus for attempting the quad jump because they feel it is undervalued in the code of points. I guess the Swiss federation follows this line of thinking as well for their National Championships contestants who go for the quad.

Thanks! :agree:
 

Yschntä

Rinkside
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Jan 2, 2010
The Russian federation awards their Nationals mens' contestants an added 2 points bonus for attempting the quad jump because they feel it is undervalued in the code of points. I guess the Swiss federation follows this line of thinking as well for their National Championships contestants who go for the quad.
The rules in Switzerland: The women get one bonus point for a triple jump which isn't downgraded, the men get two point bonus for a triple-triple OR a triple axel OR a quad (must also be without downgrade)
 
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