LADIES- Japanese Nationals (Senior)

**mayamae_55** · 12-26-2009, 01:15 AM

My Nana
5 Nana Takeda 54.54 29.74 24.80 0.00 #12

3Toe +2Toe、3Lo almost fell , 2A

She could've done better, considering she 3 Loop is usually awarded a +GOE

**EyesOfLove** · 12-26-2009, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Tinymavy15

But wouldn't that mean that the whole combo would not count since you are not allowed to do a double Axel as the combonation? I guess it is possible, the Natioanls bonus could have helped the score. I don't know what to think.

3A< and 2A are not quite deemed as identical elements in SP.

**bekalc** · 12-26-2009, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by Tinymavy15

But wouldn't that mean that the whole combo would not count since you are not allowed to do a double Axel as the combonation? I guess it is possible, the Natioanls bonus could have helped the score. I don't know what to think.

No because it was a clear triple axel attempt. In Russia she popped her triple axel into a double axel.

**Tinymavy15** · 12-26-2009, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by EyesOfLove

3A< and 2A are not quite deemed as identical elements in SP.

Okay. Thanks. It sees likely that it was a downgrade then. This is sad. Mak is no more sucessful at fully rotating the 3 Axel than her 3/3's. She might as well put the 3 flip/3 loop back in. She bet it all on landing this darn jump and now when she does she does not get credit for it. Poor Mao.

**mayamae_55** · 12-26-2009, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by szidon

Really?

If so, hope she was not be offended by my post!

It's okay!

Skatemom and ks777, thanks for backing me up!

**ks777** · 12-26-2009, 01:20 AM

Probably her 3axel was downgraded. It makes much more sense. The judges gave her +1 and +2 even though it was downgraded.

**ks777** · 12-26-2009, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Tinymavy15

Okay. Thanks. It sees likely that it was a downgrade then. This is sad. Mak is no more sucessful at fully rotating the 3 Axel than her 3/3's. She might as well put the 3 flip/3 loop back in. She bet it all on landing this darn jump and now when she does she does not get credit for it. Poor Mao.

I don't think Mao can do 3/3s anymore.. I saw her do a 3t/3t in practice a few days ago on youtube and it was badly underrotated..

**mylastduchess** · 12-26-2009, 01:27 AM

I really don't see how Mao can reach a 69+ with only 1 triple. Its probably her 2T or she didn't get credit for something...

**coconutpunch** · 12-26-2009, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by mylastduchess

I really don't see how Mao can reach a 69+ with only 1 triple. Its probably her 2T or she didn't get credit for something...

Fumie did go over 31 on the tech scores without a combo and a fall on the 3lutz. I'm going to go with the underrotated 3A theory for now.

**Iscariot** · 12-26-2009, 01:29 AM

i dont think that means she cant do 3/3 anymore, i mean the original plan for this was 2 3A and a 3F-3L, but i DO think we may not see a 3/3, not this season

Probaly this obsession comes because she wants to be the first female to land a 3A in the short and 2 3A in the long at the olympics(Midori almost did so...)

**mayamae_55** · 12-26-2009, 01:32 AM

http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/winter..._asada_600.jpg

**ks777** · 12-26-2009, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Iscariot

i dont think that means she cant do 3/3 anymore, i mean the original plan for this was 2 3A and a 3F-3L, but i DO think we may not see a 3/3, not this season

Probaly this obsession comes because she wants to be the first female to land a 3A in the short and 2 3A in the long at the olympics(Midori almost did so...)

Have you seen her attempt on a 3/3 combo lately? She is not even close to get her jumps ratified.. Her solo 3 loop isn't as solid anymore either...
No I don't think she was planning a 3fli/3loop in SP nor in LP.

**DesertRoad** · 12-26-2009, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by mylastduchess

I really don't see how Mao can reach a 69+ with only 1 triple. Its probably her 2T or she didn't get credit for something...

It's not difficult to understand. At the WTT earlier this year, Mao got 44.4 on her TES, that was with a 3a/2t that didn't get downgraded. Here, she got 36.84, a loss of about 8 points. The total point value of a 3a/2t? 9.5. If it was just her 2toe that got downgraded, Mao would've scored 70+.

**mayamae_55** · 12-26-2009, 01:38 AM

Warm-up... Group 3

13 Kanako MURAKAMI Grand Prix Tokai Club
14 Satsuki MURAMOTO KANSAI UNIV SKATING CLUB
15 Eri SETO KANSAI UNIV SKATING CLUB
16 Akiko SUZUKI Howa sports landSkateclub
17 Shoko ISHIKAWA Meiji Univ
18 Yukari NAKANO Prince Hotel

Another highlight of the day... Akiko and Yukari!

"Akiko landed beautiful 3lo
Yukari landed 3lz2t
Kanako fell on something then landed something (sorry was not watching) "