personally, which they didn't deserve.
but yeah oxade21, joking?
a junior team can out score them with that performance.
Domnina/Shabalin's FD performance at Delaware
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personally, which they didn't deserve.
but yeah oxade21, joking?
a junior team can out score them with that performance.
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Are you serious?? :scratch:
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Yeahhhh... not even going to comment on that... I rewatched this a second time and really have to hone in the opening - in the first minute of the program, there's a really slow lift followed by mistimed twizzles. That's not the kind of impression I would want to make to command the judges attention... just me. The footwork sequence when the "Requiem For A Dream" soundtrack variation starts was very blah to me... sorry, I'm just not getting it and not feeling it even a second time, even if it is an improvement over Russian Nationals. If possible, I am liking is less the second time that I did the first. This kind of performance inspires me about as much anything Lobatcheva and Averbukh ever put together aside from Jesus Christ Superstar.
It's nice that you already know how they will perform at Olympics so the judges can be fair. :banging:
There is a slight improvment since russian nationals. I cross my fingers for them to get it somehow together in the next weeks and have a decent showing at Olympics, although I've never been a big fan of them. And if they don't medal, hopefully it'll make Russian federation think about their approach to their top athlets in the future.
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I am no so sure they will. Spartacus at worlds was really slow to me and I believe the NBC commentators agreed. But somehow it was enough. If Domina and Shabalin can get the levels on their elements and not stumble more than once I would not be THAT surprised to see them win in Vancouver and not at all surprised to see them get a medal.
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Agreed.
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So, Aunt Joyce is not an unpleasant person only when writes, but when and speaks :sheesh: :disagree:
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I have the same feeling. And I wouldn't have a problem with it - if there wasn't always the slight indication that only the Europeans are the evil ones and that every non-European skater always deserves her / his marks or was even robbed.
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That's why I try to never get invested in ice-dancing. E.g. I never got why Delobel / Schoenfelder had to wait like centuries for an important international medal - so many masterpieces of them never got any real recognition, medal-wise. Or Kerr / Kerr, are they bad ice-dancers and I am simply blind - or why will they never ever win an important title? It's just a stupid genre of figure skating.
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Medusa, what's the perspective in Europe regarding possible scandals?
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You raise a very good point. We (and judges, technical specialists, etc.) can dissect the synchronization of twizzles, the quality of the skaters edges, can assess the speed all we want but simply put some ice dancers still seem to get jipped. That's a big part of why ice dancing has never been taking as seriously as other disciplines... we can assign levels to footwork sequences, 'dance spins' and the like but it's not as clear cut or easy for viewers to understand as if a skater were to flutz a flutz, fall on a triple loop or get a lower 'level' on a spin combination. There are so many kinda sorta intangible qualities.
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Such as, for instance, their 2007 free dance.
Never got that one (just to keep the opposites going).
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My favourite would definitely have to their 2005/2006 free dance - and I would definitely have to use the "was robbed" term to describe teams like D/S, K/K, Navarro/Bommentre and Weaver/Poje... unfortunately some teams always seem to have to fight harder to get their breaks.
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Who am I? Europe?
I am actually scared that Joubert or Plushenko win the men - and then hell comes down. I would probably stay away from skating boards for a few months.
These days I am just hoping that the skating is so clear - that there will be no scandal. That there is no room for any scandal. Best case scenario in men: Plushy is too busted up and can't land everything, Joubert hopefully loses his competitive nerve again, Verner is the biggest headcase ever anyway. Then hopefully Chan skates clean, probably without a Quad - and gets the Gold (if Lysacek gets Gold, I'll just might commit board suicide). Then there is no scandal, no discussion transitions vs. Quad etc.
Same goes for ice-dance. Hopefully DomShab fall in the CD and fall so far back that they can't win anyway. Khok & Partner will screw up the CD, too, CDs aren't their things anyway. Delobel & Schoenfelder will have no competitive experience this season whatsoever and probably will have a bad stumble in the OD. Then the medals can go to Belgosto, Virtue/Moir and Davis/White.
Then everybody will be happy. Case closed.
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You don't think the same thing will happen if Chan wins? Have you not seen all the posts about Canadian skating? Were you not the one who wrote a rather long-winded post about all the bad things Canadian skaters, Canadian media, and Skate Canada has done?
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No, I don't actually think the same will happen if Chan wins. The European media for once is a lot less powerful and a lot more diverse than the North-American one - which is absolutely natural, because we are dozens of different countries and not just 2 different ones.
After Worlds last year, you could e.g. read an article in the FAZ, the leading conservative newspaper in Germany, that said after Worlds 2009 that DomShab didn't belong anywhere near the podium. Same goes for the German Eurosport reporters. The British on the other hand weren't as outraged as the German commentators, they actually didn't complain. The German Eurosport reporters thought that Chan deserved more points for his Worlds SP, where else the British were completely fine with the result. These are just two examples. It's all just a lot more diverse and maybe also more relaxed.
And who cares about barely a dozen posters on skating boards who actually prefer a clean Joubert over a clean Chan?
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