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    Mao Asada's SP backup plan

    In a recent interview, Mao reveals that she has been practicing a backup plan for her SP in case her first 3A ends up as a 2A and then runs the risk of repeating an element like what happened at CoR. So, if her 3A-2T ends up as
    a 2A, she plans to change her 3F to a 3F-2Lo and her 2A to a 3Lo.

    Here's the interview clip, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_jrELqWo3c&feature=sub

    The interview was conducted by Shizuka and it was great seeing the two skaters together. Unfortunately, it's all in Japanese and there are no subs . But it was nice seeing the clip of little Mao skating at 5yrs old. At the end of the interview, Mao said that TAT told her to treat the Olympics as a "game" rather than a competition. However, I don't know if that really relieves the amount of pressure Mao is having since it's obvious that Japan is hoping she will follow in Shizuka's footsteps and win the gold.
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    Nice to hear that she has some backup plan. If her 3A is not going well right before the competition (which seems to happen a lot to many skaters), she can choose to go for the alternative plan, too.

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    Sounds like a good plan, if Yuna and Rachael are the only ones to attempt 3-3s (if Rachael even goes) I don't think it would hurt Mao to not have a 3-3. Joannie and Miki have only been doing 3-2s this season and they have been getting very good scores, so I'm sure Mao can do the same.

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    Yea I was glad to hear she has a backup plan, but I feel she has been giving a lot of interviews recently. The Japanese media wants to know every decision and thought that is going in her head. Sigh. no wonder the girl always looks a little nervous in her interviews now.

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    I have mixed feelings about this. Yes it is smart to have a backup plan, but knowing that she made one makes me worried that her triple Axel is not going well and that she NEEDS a backup. Just having a backup might lead her to be caucious and settle for that, which is not nearly difficult enough to get her the points she needs. The only way I see that working is if a.) she bombs her warm up and knows she won't land the triple Axel or b.) Yu-na skates before Mao and really messes up (which I don't see happening. At all). Come to think of it, even if yu-na does skates a bad short, mao will probably still need the 3/3 to win considering how many points yu-na can make up with a clean or even semi-clean free.

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    I think it is a very smart idea. Sometimes we see skaters make a mistake at the beginning, then start to improvise to make up for it and end up with a Zayak violation or an extra combo.

    Michelle Kwan used to have a plan A and a plan B in her long programs. Plan A was, hit the triple-toe/triple toe at the beginning, do a split jump at the end. Plan B was, miss the triple-triple, then throw in an extra 3T at the end in the place of the split jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I think it is a very smart idea. Sometimes we see skaters make a mistake at the beginning, then start to improvise to make up for it and end up with a Zayak violation or an extra combo.

    Michelle Kwan used to have a plan A and a plan B in her long programs. Plan A was, hit the triple-toe/triple toe at the beginning, do a split jump at the end. Plan B was, miss the triple-triple, then throw in an extra 3T at the end in the place of the split jump.
    Angela Maxwell did something similar last year at nationals. She had a 3t-3t scheduled in her LP but only did 3t-2t then at the end of the program she changed her planned 3s-2t-2lo to 3t-2t-2lo because the 3t is a more stable jump for her than the 3s.

    I would guess that it's not that Mao's 3a is going badly, but more that she realizes how hard it will be to get it ratified at the Olympics, especially if she's nervous and messes up.

    Last year Mao got a lot of SP scores around 65 with the 3-3, meaning if she does a 3-2 it will likely be lower. Yuna got a 65 when she popped her 3f at GPF, and a 69 when she messed up her 2a pretty badly at the 2008 GPF, so essentially if Mao does her backup plan, Yuna should have a 10-15 point lead in the short, meaning Mao will really need those two 3a's in the LP if she is to have a shot at stealing away the gold, even if Yuna's LP is not her best.

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    Her new combination would have a base value of around 3.5 + 5.5 + 1.5 + 5 = 15.5, right?

    Does Kim have a back-up plan if her 3-3 messes up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrymeyunakim View Post
    Her new combination would have a base value of around 3.5 + 5.5 + 1.5 + 5 = 15.5, right?

    Does Kim have a back-up plan if her 3-3 messes up?
    Yes that's right. I assume if Kim has a problem with her first lutz she will just do a 3lz-2t, I don't know if you consider that a backup plan or not but that's what she did at the GPF in her LP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrymeyunakim View Post
    Does Kim have a back-up plan if her 3-3 messes up?
    I don't think she needs a back-up plan. When has she ever missed her 3-3 in the SP? She missed the solo Triple from time to time, Lutz or Flip - didn't matter. But the 3-3? I really can't remember when she missed it the last time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post

    Last year Mao got a lot of SP scores around 65 with the 3-3, meaning if she does a 3-2 it will likely be lower. Yuna got a 65 when she popped her 3f at GPF, and a 69 when she messed up her 2a pretty badly at the 2008 GPF, so essentially if Mao does her backup plan, Yuna should have a 10-15 point lead in the short, meaning Mao will really need those two 3a's in the LP if she is to have a shot at stealing away the gold, even if Yuna's LP is not her best.
    Its the Olympic year, scores this year is infalted compared to last year. Joannie got a 70 with no 3/3, Mao can get 65+ with no 3A since Miki just hit 67+ with no 3/3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    I don't think she needs a back-up plan. When has she ever missed her 3-3 in the SP? She missed the solo Triple from time to time, Lutz or Flip - didn't matter. But the 3-3? I really can't remember when she missed it the last time.
    She did in the LP at SA and GPF. At SA both triples were UR and at the GPF her first lutz was fine but not good enough for the 3-3 so she just did a 3-2. Yuna doesn't have to worry about repeating a jump like Mao does, I think that is the reason Mao created the backup plan so she doesn't do a repeat of COR and lose credit for a jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    She did in the LP at SA and GPF. At SA both triples were UR and at the GPF her first lutz was fine but not good enough for the 3-3 so she just did a 3-2. Yuna doesn't have to worry about repeating a jump like Mao does, I think that is the reason Mao created the backup plan so she doesn't do a repeat of COR and lose credit for a jump.
    I actually meant; when has she ever missed in the SP?

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    Yea, in the interview, Mao explains the reason for the backup plan is to assure that she doesn't do a repeat of a jump which means she will receive no credit for the jump. So although doing an easier jump layout will give Yuna a greater point lead in the short, it's still better than missing the 3A and then ending up as 6th. It looks like CoR, while a disaster for her, was a good learning experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Last year Mao got a lot of SP scores around 65 with the 3-3, meaning if she does a 3-2 it will likely be lower.
    The primary explanation for Mao's scores being lower in the SP last season was because she was having major problems with her solo 3Lutz attempt, which she would take off on the wrong edge making it a flutz and sometimes she would double the jump and that's a deduction of a lot of points. Plus, she often doesn't attain the highest spin and spiral levels in the SP because of not holding her positions long enough or not getting enough spin revolutions. She's almost always seemed to have a problem with her nerves in the SP.

    It's good to see that she and her team are thinking ahead and can rely on a backup plan should something go wrong with her 3Axel preparation.
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