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    Question Tessa and Scott Changed Some of FD?

    Was listening to the Sportscast on Toronto 6pm Supper Hour Cast and Lance Brown just said they had to take out "The Goose Lift" because it's now considered an illiegal lift.

    First...Is it true they had to do this? If so, is it the no hands lift?

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    Yes, the "goose" is the no hands lift. I didn't hear that but only that Tessa had to change the dismount. It doesn't surprise me that something as difficult and spectacular would be deemed illegal especially in an olympic year. If this is true, I find it highly suspect.

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    That is odd since they have been competing with it all year and getting credit for it.

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    Yes, I heard that they had to change the dismount. Illegal. I think they are keeping the lift itself, though. It is odd that they've had no deduction for it thus far and now it is being termed illegal.

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    They've done it, what - 3 or 4 times so far? No illegal call, not once. I thought in GPF the dismount already looked a bit different. But I don't get what part of it is illegal. The landing?

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    Found an article:
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...WRy0XB3xKfiYFw

    Seems it "may" be viewed as illegal so they don't want to take chances with it. Apparently, the grey area is the dismount. It's too bad - it really was a "wow" move! I hope the altered version is still something unique.

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    Could then Davis & White be in trouble as well?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1hDYkk6aRM

    3:30

    The only difference is that Meryl puts her hands on Charlie's shoulders when she jum.. I mean dismounts herself.

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    I wonder if the question is whether or not Tessa is allowed to land on one foot (I believe this was the intent although not always entirely successful) or if it's that she does a full rotation in the air before landing.

    Meryl lands on two feet and IIRC only does half a rotation. So there may not be an issue of potential illegality with their lift, if in fact one of the issues I'm wondering about is correct.

    We'll see what's been changed this weekend. I'm sure one of the Canadian commentators will remark on it at some point as well.

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    I found CoR and Nebelhorn, and looks like Meryl lands on 2 feet there too. I thought lifts are supposed to end 1-footed, but maybe I shouldn't blindly trust TAT's rants in 'Ice Age'.

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    What bothers me is the technical committee didn't make the call, it was more like they intimidated Scott and Tessa into dropping it, per the article. They said they were "looking into it". So they could continue to train it only to have the rug pulled out from under ... or drop it. It stinks to high heaven.

    Meanwhile apparently the russian ISU technical controller personally assured Domnina and Shabalin that their belt moves and lifts were perfectly fine.

    That's not a frickin gray area? Only the dismount is?

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    I don't think landing on two feet is an issue. Meryl lands/dismounts on two feet in all of their lifts in the free dance and at least on in the OD. I think that is fairly common.

    Not sure why this is an issue for TAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevergonnadance View Post
    What bothers me is the technical committee didn't make the call, it was more like they intimidated Scott and Tessa into dropping it, per the article. They said they were "looking into it". So they could continue to train it only to have the rug pulled out from under ... or drop it. It stinks to high heaven.

    Meanwhile apparently the russian ISU technical controller personally assured Domnina and Shabalin that their belt moves and lifts were perfectly fine.

    That's not a frickin gray area? Only the dismount is?
    I think one of the issues might be that Tessa landed on two feet (if this is in fact the bone of contention) at TEB and GPF but on one foot at SC. There may have been uncertainty about the lift with the technical controllers from one event to another, but the issue might have been raised by someone at a later date. A judge, coach, federation, etc. As an example of how the lift was not found objectionable by an official, Judy Blumberg called the GPF for UniSports. She is either a technical specialist or technical controller. I'm sure she would have commented on it if she found issue with it since she pointed out that Charlie was slightly above the plane of his knee in his sit position in the dance spin. (I think that's why they go level 3 there on that element.)

    Speaking of the belts, I thought I read somewhere that the ice dance tech committee was going to meet prior to Euros to discuss the belts and their legality. Has this happened?

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    Thanks to one and all for the answers and yes...This does indeed seem rather fishy.

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    I don't know why TAT always comments on that in "IA". She seems to think it should be that way. Well, obviously a two-feet landing is easier than a one-foot one. Why did Tessa do a perfectly clean one-foot landing in the 'Goose' last time? If it doesn't mean much in terms of goe. Maybe she's a perfectionist.

    Too bad not so many posters on this board speak Russian. There's been a interesting discussion reg D/S's belt lifts in a TV program called "Free program".

    http://gigavitamin.rutube.ru/

    Alla Shekhovtsova was a guest that day. She says the belts create an illusion of a flight, and flight symbolizes love. Her other comments (including the ones on the OD) are just as fascinating. She also says she reads the boards, but won't reveal her username.

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    Here's another article about it. I remember in 2002, when Averbukh had a solo jump in the FD. Commentators said dancers could do jumps, as long as they weren't more than one rotation. Not sure if the rules have changed since then.

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spo.../81589567.html

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