I never took your posts as being against Amanda and Mark - and thought you were questioning the selection process as a whole.
Whenever a competition is that close there will always be fans who are upset by the results. It is OK to question the selection process and to disagree with it.
For me the results were fine and I am happy that Amanda and Mark were selected for the Olympic team. I am also a little sad for the others but that is the nature of sport.
I have no objection to anyone expressing their opinion as to how the selection process should be. And I have not replied to postings from any other poster - they are entitled to their opinions. But you must admit that you have said some snarky, snide, hurtful and sarcastic comments about Amanda and Mark, using conveniently-positioned expressive emoticons for emphasis. Those remarks, I object to.
While I don't agree with name calling or insulting comments, I also know that is par for the course in these forums. Some people can be harsh. And perhaps, in trying to be constructive (which I believe Joelitz is trying to be) they are coming across as harsh.
Your daughter and her partner have achieved a great goal, and I really do not want forum comments to deter from your celebration, especially when they made be made by people who probably do not know or can even try to understand the work they've made to reach this point. You have a lot to be proud of. And I rather you spend your time relishing in this special moment with your daughter rather then reading these forums.
Last edited by Mrs. P; 01-19-2010 at 05:01 PM.
Mrs. P is right. There will never be 100% support of any skater or team and ultimately I believe the skaters are best served by enthusiastic, freewheeling fan discussion boards - which promote public interest and meet a different need (i.e., the public's) than that of the skaters themselves and their families. This is a very nice board compared to some others and there are guidelines for courtesy here, but Joesitz definitely didn't break any of them.
P.S. I thought E/L were beautiful and I'm eager to see them in the Olympics! Congrats to them! But I would have understood if I/B had gotten silver/Oly spot instead - I mean, that throw 3A is a big deal!
^ What did the message say? u r going 2 the Os.
01-17-2010, 12:17 AM #68
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: New York City
Posts: 17,683 I think Innue and Baldwin will be considered too.
McL/Bru could have been considered but 2 poor skates, I would think is a no no.
No doubt about Cadee/Denny, they will go and they may even podium, if they skate the way they did.
Congrats to Evora/Ladwiq.
As you can see, just questioning the select committee's duties. and, please point out any snarky, snide remarks I make it the future. I did not have a cultured upbringing and any help would be appreciated.
My daughter is lucky enough to skate at the same rink in Ellenton as our new Olympian Pairs Skaters. Over the years we have gotten to know the skaters fairly well, particularly Mark and Amanda. My daughter currently takes private lessons with Amanda and I just have to say she could not have a better role model. She is learning SO much from Amanda and not just skating skills. Amanda is teaching her the value of working hard, dreaming big, and being gracious whether you win or lose. I can sincerely say that she is genuinely a lovely person (and so is Mark). Obviously the choice of who belongs on the Olympic team should not be a popularity contest, and should be awarded based on skill, but I am happy to say it could not have happened to nicer people.
You should be VERY proud of daughter Mr. Evora. And not just because she is a talented skater, but because of who she is as a person.
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I just don't know how wise it is to make Nationals mean EVERYTHING. It leaves the door open to the possibility that skaters may place well based on luck, or lack thereof. If Jeremy Abbott went out and fell two or three times in his LP last weekend and slipped to 4th or 5th, should we have left him home from the Olympics? To me, the answer is absolutely not.
If we look at major ISU championships-- well, none of the top US pair teams aside from I/B have much experience competing at them--- But if we want to look at '09 competitions, M/B were the highest US finishers at 4CC and then did the worst LP of their lives at Worlds. Denney/Barrett skated their best there, but their LP score was low, and would have been passed by M/B with a decent skate. M/B have consistency issues, plenty to work on, and you could argue that their Nationals performance was crappy enough to justify leaving them off the Oly team, but I don't see how you can argue that they haven't been the top US pair internationally as of late. I think the scores and placements speak for themselves.
I really don't think that's the reason they've scored so low. Maybe in ice dancing that would matter, but I don't think it matters in the other disciplines.E/L though have always gone into international competitions as a low ranking American team. That's hardly going to get you a whole lot of cred from the international judges. They might get more notice now that they are the US silver medalists.
Oh, and if this really is Amanda's dad, congratulations to your daughter on her amazing accomplishment! She looked beyond thrilled, and it was such an exciting moment to watch.
Last edited by gold12345; 01-20-2010 at 07:36 PM.
I think the main difference is that in gymnastics they have to field a team, so they have to balance specialists on individual apparatuses with all-round performers.Of course, skating is different from gymnastics, but I see some legit similarities.
In the case of Japan giving an automatic spot to Miki for her placement in the Grand Prix Finals, and an automatic place to Mao for being the national champion, that follows the explicit rules of the Japanese Federation. I wouldn't mind if the USFSA had rules like that. What I don't like is to have no firm criteria, and just say, if the selection committee likes you , you go, if they don't like you, you don't.
The advantage to the present selection process is that the skaters all know what the deal is. Get first or second at Nationals, you go to the Olympics. No backroom deals, no argumments about whether it is better to get fifth at the Grand Prix finals or second at Four Continents or 8th at Worlds.
I think if Ryan Bradley had beaten Abbott then the fair and right thing to do would be to send Bradley. Decide it on the field of play, not in the committee room. I think in the long run, principles should prevail over practicality. (Good karma, and all that. )If Jeremy Abbott went out and fell two or three times in his LP last weekend and slipped to 4th or 5th, should we have left him home from the Olympics?
Last edited by Mathman; 01-20-2010 at 09:18 PM.
True. But there have been instances where, say, a top All Around gymnast has had a poor Nationals performance, but was selected to do the AA at Worlds over gymnasts who may have finished higher than her at Nationals, but had lower scoring potential. The 2nd place gymnast from the most recent Nationals was skipped over for one of the two AA slots for Worlds. I'm not sure if you follow gymnastics, but the girl who ended up getting the AA chance seemed to have cracked under the pressure in trying to win the National title and fell out of the top 2, but USAG believed in her enough to give her an AA chance at Worlds. I understand your point about having clear cut selection criteria, but I'm not sure if that is always going to pick the best team.I think the main difference is that in gymnastics they have to field a team, so they have to balance specialists on individual apparatuses with all-round performers.
Ah, it's interesting to me to hear that people feel this way. I just feel like that makes Nationals more nerve-wracking that the Olympics itself and entices the skaters to be at their best for Nationals more so than the Olympics, which should be the more important event. And what if someone just has some fluke great performance one weekend? Should that be enough to make the most important sports team there is? But I do understand what you are saying, too.I think if Ryan Bradley had beaten Abbott then the fair and right thing to do would be to send Bradley. Decide it on the field of play, not in the committee room. I think in the long run, principles should prevail over practicality. (Good karma, and all that. )