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    Quote Originally Posted by gold12345 View Post
    John Baldwin disses USFS (and Evora & Ladwig)...



    http://www.ocregister.com/sports/-229525--.html


    I don't like Baldwin or his attitude, but he has a point and is not afraid to speak up.... Take a look at Evora & Ladwig's personal best scores internationally and they aren't pretty.... a 51 in the SP and a 97 in the LP. I hate to pick on E/L here, but facts are facts... They've never medaled in a Grand Prix event (I'm not sure if they've even ever come close), they've never made a World team, and they've never scored well. Shouldn't an Olympic team selection be in part made based on who can actually score well there? If you skate well there and still score poorly, was that really a good selection?

    I thought the selection includes last year results, the GP series, etc...
    Since 2nd and 3rd are so close, and I/J medaled at the NHK, beating the national champions there, the committee would send them instead.

    Oh wow, surprise.

    If 2nd and 3rd are 10-15-20 points apart, sure, they have no merit.

    That throw triple axel is amazing. How many team in the world does it? None.
    I squealed louder than Scott and freaked out the dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formersk8ter View Post
    My point exactly! Thank you!
    I presume you think E/L will be on the podium at the Olys? or are you happy they got a free trip to Vancouver as a reward for their stunning performance at Nats? They did beat veterans I/B by less than 1/2 pt. so they must be the stronger team.

    We should come back to this at the Olys and see how E/L do. I am not against them. Just skeptical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    I thought the selection includes last year results, the GP series, etc...
    No, that was just propoganda. First and second go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz
    We should come back to this at the Olys and see how E/L do.
    It doesn't matter how well they do. They won their spot fair and square.
    Last edited by Mathman; 01-17-2010 at 04:11 PM.

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    The Dance and Ladies events will surely be interesting!

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    Will McLaughlin/Brubaker go to Worlds or 4CC or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    It doesn't matter how well they do. They won their spot fair and square.
    Your not serious that the United States Nationals reward is a spot at the Olympics? It does show they were the 2nd best by l/2 point that afternoon and now will represent the US to get a medal at the Olys. Yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Your not serious that the United States Nationals reward is a spot at the Olympics?
    I am talking about reality, Joe. That is the reality.

    It does show they were the 2nd best by l/2 point that afternoon and now will represent the US to get a medal at the Olys. Yeah.
    Again, yes, that is the reality of the situation. Evora and Ladwig were second best by 1/2 point. They will represent the U.S. at the Olympics. That is reality. Everything else is just Internet talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    The only sport afaik that uses a Trial is Track and Field and probably only the US.
    Swimming does too. And only the top 2 get to compete in an individual event. Talk about pressure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I am talking about reality, Joe. That is the reality.



    Again, yes, that is the reality of the situation. Evora and Ladwig were second best by 1/2 point. They will represent the U.S. at the Olympics. That is reality. Everything else is just Internet talk.
    I understood what you said as a spot on the team was more important than competing. Kwan never got to the Nationals and she was put on the spot anyway by a secret skate. No?

    By the way. I'm really ok with E/L. The Cttee ok'd them, and by the system, they should go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked View Post
    Swimming does too. And only the top 2 get to compete in an individual event. Talk about pressure.
    I think all that depends on the number of entries from one country. But I am sure the national federations keep an eye on the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    I think all that depends on the number of entries from one country.
    No it doesn't. The IOC swimming rule is a two swimmer maximum per country for all individual events, no matter what. And I'm pretty sure in the US at least, they go just by the Olympic trials, even if Michael Phelps comes in third.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    I understood what you said as a spot on the team was more important than competing. Kwan never got to the Nationals and she was put on the spot anyway by a secret skate. No?
    What has been so frustrating to me throughout this whole season-long discussion is this, Joe. We have been clued in, over and over, by people who actually have contacts within the inner councils of the USFSA (Phil Hersh, Gsrossano, Sylvia), just how the Olympic selection committee works. This is what the committee does.

    (a) It validates the results of nationals.

    (b) It considers petitions from skaters requesting byes because of injuries (Kwan in 2006, Kerrigan in 1994, Eldredge in 1992)

    What the committee does not do -- never has -- is consider results from past Grand Prix Finals, Worlds, last year's Nationals, etc. The document that says that they do consider such things is a patent fabrication, made necessary by some nit-picky rules of the USOC, but not to be taken seriously as a description of what actually happens.

    So we know all these things, and have known them all season.

    And yet we are still getting posts about, hey, what about the committee? What about M&B having a better international record than E&L? What about I&B being past Olympians? What about Caroline Zhang doing well at Four Continents last year? What about Sasha having a better chance to medal in Vancouver than Ashley?

    So that just makes me
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    I don't know about anybody else, but my understanding has always been that the Olympic Nationals (yeah, I know the PC talk is that it isn't Olympic Trials for all intents & purposes because of the IOC, but come on, we all know the truth, lol) is NOT like all the other Nationals wherein 1-2-3 means 1-2-3. Nope, Olympic Nationals is supposed to be different in that aspect. But whatever, no skin off my nose, I'm not the one competing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post

    So that just makes me
    because even brow beating a person, leading them to the answer, forcing them to look

    does not make them less stubborn to continue to argue it's true of every one of us, because we want to be right 110% of the time. even when we KNOW we're wrong, we're still right.

    such is human nature.

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