Agree with Flattfan - there was no "holding up" PCS marks in the men's SP over the "new guys". They looked pretty fair and on par with what these guys should see internationally if they skate the same. Johnny a little lower due to being slower (SS) than Abbott and Lysacek. Abbott - you can really see the figures work he's done in his clear and solid edgework.
I wouldn't praise the judges to high Heaven just yet. Let's wait until the ladies produce a result the USFSA and NBC don't expect or want, then I will heap the praise upon them that they deserve.
Last edited by Mathman; 01-20-2010 at 02:50 PM.
Not on reputation, right?
But on how each skater actually fulfills the criteria for each of the components.
I predict that, for the most part, the skaters who are already considered to have better reputations will earn higher PCS because they will meet most of those criteria better. That's a lot of what earned them good results in the past and therefore the good reputations they enjoy.
Some of the top skaters also have persistent weaknesses in some of the PCS criteria, and some of the criteria are subject to significant variation between an "on" performance and "off" one from the same skater. So some of those component scores may end up being very different from what the skaters have sometimes earned in the past and what earned them their reputations.
GOEs will also make a difference in total scores and results, especially if everyone lands the same jumps and earns approximately the same levels on non-jump elements. We know which skaters tend to have the best positions and extension, spin fastest and longest, cover the most ice with their spirals, achieve the deepest and most secure edges in their step sequences. If they execute those elements approximately as well as they usually do, we know which skaters should earn higher points on those elements.
Just landing the same jumps doesn't put everyone on the same footing either. Quality of the jumps will matter as well -- height, speed in and out, correctness of takeoff and landing edges, full rotation, control of body positions in the air and on the landings, etc. The skaters who do those things well will earn higher GOEs and therefore more points for the jumps than the skaters who just squeak them out.
Only after you account for all those differences in the actual skating can any remaining discrepancy be attributed to reputation.
In long programs, does landing one or two more harder or cleaner jumps make up for less power and projection, for example, throughout the 4 or 4 1/2 minutes?
Last edited by gkelly; 01-20-2010 at 01:27 PM.
they picked the correct podiums (or is it podii) regardless of any inflation. Cheers for the US judges.
podii? podia? I have no idea but
some of you guys on this board just crack me up. Love it.
I am still scratching my head when I look at the protocol sheets and see a -2 GOE for a fall (when it's obviously supposed to receive an automatic -3), or a +3 for an element that had no business getting that score... Ugh. This sometimes happens worldwide as well.
If the U.S. insists on continuing to pick it's Olympic teams based on one competition, in which skaters are sometimes separated by tenths of a point, I really wish we could at least make sure that skaters who fall actually receive the automatic -3 GOE from every judge.
I think the rule for falls is now that the fall contributes -3 to the GOE, but that positive features of the jump can raise it, as long as the total GOE for the element is negative.
IIRC the automatic -3 rule was changed starting with the 2008-09 season.
Well...but for the lady's SP, I think the top 4's scores were inflated. No edge call for the obvious case (i.e., Sasha's Flutz), generous GOE and levels on the other elements, and relatively high PCS. Let me see in LP. Who know there would be a US lady receiving over 200
Last edited by so_proud; 01-22-2010 at 08:39 PM.
I think that Sasha's 3l-2t should have received "e" or at least "!" and also deducted for the shaky landing that looked like being URed, too. That combo should have gotten minus GOE.
Wagner's another one who didn't get an edge call and we all know her flutz is as big as Sasha's.