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    ... Ilia Kulik ... :(

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    Originally posted by Germanice
    ... Ilia Kulik ... :(

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    Really?!-I'm suprised. He has a really big fanclub-w/ a nice website. He is Very popular with audiences in Europe and the US with pro shows and pro skating. During his amateur years he seemed like he was a respected performer and got the attention and scores he deserved. So it seemed as if he is respected by both FS fans and by the judges. SOI-might be a different matter -actually I don't really know what is going on with SOI and Ilia Kulik-if anything.

    Not trying to sound snarky-

    :o :D but what is everyone's defenition of 'underrated'-obviously it might be different for different posters. Do you mean not get the scores they deserve by the judges, not get the "attention" or respect by the fans? -Just curious to know.

    For me a skater can be underrated by the judges: they don't give the marks that the skater deserves.
    Then a skater can be underrated by the fans: doesn't get the appreciation and acknowledgement for their skills and talent as much as they should.
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    Sarah Hughes! She won the Olympic title with an amazing 7 triple program with 2 3/3 combos. Her feat is unmatched to date. No other lady can say they landed two CLEAN 3/3 combos in competition, but Sarah can. Irina's were cheated and should not have counted. Sarah won the hearts of millions on that fateful night. She was destined to be to become that champion. Nobody had faith in her. It was all about Sasha, Sasha, Sasha: will they let her win if she beats Michelle Kwan and Irina? No mention of Sarah. But look who won? She never won a World, National, or GP title. Didn't have to. She walked away with the big prize. Love her, love her , love her!
    Miss you Sarah! Come back and compete at Nationals!

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    Originally posted by Fossi
    Sarah Hughes! She won the Olympic title with an amazing 7 triple program with 2 3/3 combos. Her feat is unmatched to date. No other lady can say they landed two CLEAN 3/3 combos in competition, but Sarah can. Irina's were cheated and should not have counted. Sarah won the hearts of millions on that fateful night. She was destined to be to become that champion. Nobody had faith in her. It was all about Sasha, Sasha, Sasha: will they let her win if she beats Michelle Kwan and Irina? No mention of Sarah. But look who won? She never won a World, National, or GP title. Didn't have to. She walked away with the big prize. Love her, love her , love her!
    Miss you Sarah! Come back and compete at Nationals!
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    I agree about Sarah. However, she did basically disappear during most of the season after her Olympic win, only to perform at a much lower quality at Nats and Worlds than she had in previous years. Then suddenly she was gone completely.

    Mike: Ryan Jahnke, underrated? Well, when a skater finishes last at a GP event and can't land even ONE single triple jump, well, that skater does not deserve our praise, no matter how much potential he may have. It has to be there when it counts. I don't think he's done that yet.
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    How soon you guys forget. The most underrated has got to be the pairs team of RGal and RGirl. Sure when they first came on the scene they were the talk of the skating world. Who can forget their inoavative moves, the side by side twisted pretzel spin that featured not only perfectly synchronized spinning ability but also flexibility that even Sasha can't match. The death defying throws....the only pair team to ever throw each other. The jumps..they were the first to do the side by side quad axle not only landed perfectly in unison but prior to the final rotation high fived each other in mid air. The push me pull you spiral sequence ending in their trademark Bulls Eye Charlotte where each twin starts at the opposite end of the rink maintaining the Charlotte position they encircle the rink in opposite directions gaining speed as they near center ice ending in side by side BC spins. Yes, we did get to see the fluff pieces about how they were separated at birth, found each other on the GS forum and began their careers. But I ask you, why are they not on the Campbell's soup can, where are their endorsment deals, their contracts with SOI/COI? Underrated, yes. Forgotten by their fans, never. :D

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    Underrated

    Marjaana has a right to her opinion. Hope she doesn't mind my voicing a dissenting one... Urmanov didn't deserve to win the Oly gold. Elvis did. As far as his career since then, he appeared on the ice with a 10 foot cape and some idiot judge called that skating and awarded him a World Pro title. Methinks he is the most OVERrated skater.
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    Originally posted by Fossi
    No other lady can say they landed two CLEAN 3/3 combos in competition, but Sarah can. Irina's were cheated and should not have counted
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    It was all about Sasha, Sasha, Sasha: will they let her win if she beats Michelle Kwan and Irina? No mention of Sarah. But look who won?
    Ok, a couple of things:

    Sarah's 3salchow/3loop combo was not clean, both the jumps were underrotated. Her 3toe/3loop was clean though.

    "Irina's were cheated"? She didn't do any 3-3s in SLC, so how can you say they "shouldn't have counted"? Maybe you should check your tape.

    Also, I don't remember it being all about Sasha. I remember it being thought of as between Michelle and Irina for the gold, Sasha was still a newcomer. Her and Sarah were battling for bronze, I thought.

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    Originally posted by Linny
    Marjaana has a right to her opinion. Hope she doesn't mind my voicing a dissenting one...
    LOL, I don´t mind. Besides Urmanov is not a special favourite of mine.

    Urmanov didn't deserve to win the Oly gold. Elvis did.

    Six judges (including the Canadian one) had a different opinion in 1994 Olympics. Only one judge prefered Stojko.

    As far as his career since then, he appeared on the ice with a 10 foot cape and some idiot judge called that skating and awarded him a World Pro title.

    LOL, I agree with you. On the other hand the programme to give Candeloro the title next year was not any better, in my opinion.

    I´m feeling very proud of Ilia; his winning programmes in Hallmark Pro 2001 were worth the win.

    Marjaana

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    I would like to chime in and say I agree with who(m?)ever said Todd Eldridge. I don't think he got the marks he deserved.

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    Originally posted by Piel
    How soon you guys forget. The most underrated has got to be the pairs team of RGal and RGirl. ... Underrated, yes. Forgotten by their fans, never. :D
    Oh, Piel, I am humbled by your praise! I'm honored to be mentioned in the same thread as these other esteemed skaters: Kulik, Urmanov, Sasha, Sarah, etc. Truly, I blush!

    :D :D :D :o :o :o :D

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    Originally posted by icenut84
    Ok, a couple of things:

    Sarah's 3salchow/3loop combo was not clean, both the jumps were underrotated. Her 3toe/3loop was clean though.

    "Irina's were cheated"? She didn't do any 3-3s in SLC, so how can you say they "shouldn't have counted"? Maybe you should check your tape.

    Also, I don't remember it being all about Sasha. I remember it being thought of as between Michelle and Irina for the gold, Sasha was still a newcomer. Her and Sarah were battling for bronze, I thought.
    I don't need to check my tapes at all. I was referring to the GPF '00 where Irina landed two very sloppy, not clean, with no flow 3/3 combos that should not have counted. Not to mention that 3/2/2 combo, or was it a 3/3/2 combo?, at Worlds '01 that was ratified but was a major cheat?

    There was a ton of hype for Sasha Cohen at the Olympics. She was all over the press stating she was going to "pull a Lipinski" and ESPN commentators were fooled and stated "will they LET her win if she does well?" It was all about Sasha and all about the hype. Then Sarah rose above it all.
    You have a right to your opinion, but please don't question my intelligence and tell me to rewatch tapes. Much appreciated.

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    Stick to your guns Fossi. Sarah had a reputation of underrotating jumps (like Tara never did!). Unfortunately, that reputation stuck with her as the year 1215 sticks with the Magna Carta.

    Sarah jumps clockwise and viewers see the long curve edge on the landing as underrotated because they don't normally see the jump that way. Todd, too jumps clockwise and he also has been cited as not completely doing the landing.

    I was at Worlds DC and saw her in practice and in competition, Sarah does not underrotate her jumps. There is never any extra pull on the ice. It's a long curved beautifully executed landing. I couldn't have been any closer to her. Someone started this nonsense when she became a threat to Sasha and Irina.

    Every skater underrotates (or over rotates) a jump now and then, but it doesn't mean it happens all the time. It is not like the flutz which some skaters do all the time. Very difficult to correct.

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    Originally posted by RealtorGal

    Mike: Ryan Jahnke, underrated? Well, when a skater finishes last at a GP event and can't land even ONE single triple jump, well, that skater does not deserve our praise, no matter how much potential he may have. It has to be there when it counts. I don't think he's done that yet.
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    The thing with Janhke is that he has incredible artistic ability. I know that he can't even land a quad yet but the guy has a line on the ice that is to die for. His artistic ability is amazing.

    Honestly he is WAY better than Matt Savoie or Johnny Weir could ever hope to be. Savoie is boring while Weir (although loaded with talent) isn't able to do it when it counts (I hope I'm wrong). Plus, Jahnke can skate circles around Goebel, at least in the presentation department.:sheesh:

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    Originally posted by mike79
    Plus, Jahnke can skate circles around Goebel, at least in the presentation department.:sheesh:
    Earlier I would not have imagined saying this ever, but now I can see that Goebel is getting there.... He has improved and has still a lot of time to improve more before the Olympics.

    Marjaana

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