Wicked Yankee Girl
The protocols are up. Meryl and Charlie won on skating skills and timing, and keeping the energy up in the last segment of the last pattern, as I read these things.
And here are the placings:
Place Name TSS
+ SS TI PF IN Deduction
1 Meryl Davis, Arctic FSC
Charlie White, Detroit SC 45.42 22.79 22.63 9.11 9.07 9.04 8.96 0.00 #14
2 Tanith Belbin, IceWorks SC
Benjamin Agosto, IceWorks SC 45.02 22.60 22.42 9.00 8.86 8.96 9.07 0.00 #3
3 Kimberly Navarro, Santa Rosa FSC
Brent Bommentre, Philadelphia SC & HS 37.60 19.43 18.17 7.18 7.14 7.29 7.54 0.00 #15
4 Emily Samuelson, Ann Arbor FSC
Evan Bates, Ann Arbor FSC 37.36 19.23 18.13 7.21 7.21 7.32 7.29 0.00 #12
5 Madison Hubbell, Ann Arbor FSC
Keiffer Hubbell, Ann Arbor FSC 34.33 18.15 16.18 6.50 6.46 6.46 6.43 0.00 #6
6 Madison Chock, All Year FSC
Greg Zuerlein, Arctic FSC 34.12 17.53 16.59 6.54 6.61 6.64 6.79 0.00 #4
7 Jane Summersett, Broadmoor SC
Todd Gilles, Broadmoor SC 30.72 16.00 14.72 5.96 5.82 5.79 5.96 0.00 #8
8 Trina Pratt, Broadmoor SC
Chris Obzansky, Salt Lake Figure Skating 30.43 15.98 14.45 5.82 5.79 5.75 5.71 0.00 #13
9 Lynn Kriengkrairut, All Year FSC
Logan Giulietti-Schmitt, Ann Arbor FSC 30.00 15.91 14.09 5.64 5.61 5.57 5.71 0.00 #10
10 Katie Wyble, Center Ice & Blades of Western PA
Justin Morrow, All Year FSC 23.07 12.50 10.57 4.43 4.07 4.18 4.21 0.00 #9
11 Stephanie Zastrow, St Paul FSC
Michael Lueck, Burnsville-MN Valley FSC 22.58 12.63 9.95 4.25 3.57 4.04 4.11 0.00 #2
12 Grace Cho, IceWorks SC
Dmitry Ponomarev, IceWorks SC 22.39 12.00 10.39 4.36 3.96 4.00 4.29 0.00 #11
13 Shannon Wingle, Arctic FSC
Timothy McKernan, Broadmoor SC 21.75 11.31 11.44 4.71 4.46 4.36 4.75 1.00 #5
14 Lauren Corry, Washington FSC
Alexander Lorello, University of Delaware FSC 19.15 9.87 9.28 3.82 3.46 3.79 3.82 0.00 #7
15 Elizabeth Chan, Skating Club of San Francisco Inc
Jason Deveikis, Ann Arbor FSC 14.39 7.87 6.52 2.57 2.71 2.54 2.57 0.00 #1
Doris, first, thank you for your very informative posts. Now, I need more information. Could you define 'lilting' a bit more. Is that the up and down motion we see in waltzes? How different is that from 'bouncy' as you called B/A's waltz?(Unfortunately, I didn't get to see theirs.) I've heard a commentator mention lilting quality re the waltz in some competition a while back. That he would like to see more of it since it's a waltz after all. Does it translate well from floor to ice?
Originally Posted by dorispulaski
Yes, but since then when BA moved to Natalie, Their CD improved dramaticlly as well, compared their Golden Waltz to they did in 2007 with Ingo, it looks like two different team, especially for timing and extention. As for speed, I do think BA is as good as DW now.ANd also I think the most important thing in CD is not the speed but the timing!
Originally Posted by cassieandcheetah
Last edited by wushuang122; 01-21-2010 at 04:14 PM.
well, I know that B/A are in 2 oalce now but I fell wonderfull for them cuz their scores were great and it was a wonderfull CD. I canot agree or understand D/W but i totaly respect them so gtreat start for them in this nat
Good luck to all teams in the OD.
Dedicated follower of the black line
Doris, I love your commentary. I try to only watch competitions after I have read what you have to say.
congratulatons to all--it will be a tight race between b/a and d/w
so good luck.
great skates from both team.s
Can't wait to see this when I get home. Still I think it's premature to count out either US team's chance in Vancouver based on one segment of this event. D/W's intl scores have been almost on par with V/M's all season even without getting as many level 4s as they would like. DomShabs cd score at Euros was not stratospheric and the teams behind them improved their own cd scores from the GP. Why shouldn't our teams do the same? Plus DomShabs' OD score was four points less than D/Ws season best. Assuming improved CD scores and OD marks at least on par with the GP, who's to say they would not be in medal position heading into the FD? Both US teams have levels they can bring up in their dances despite their already strong intl scores. DomShabs will have to do the same and manage the strain such efforts will apply to his knee.
Lastly, I think a better indicator going into Vancouver of possible judging is the fact that there has not been a dominant team this cycle. None of the top 5 has been on the podium each year and the last two WCs were first time medallists viewed as due for recognition after coming close in the past. In many ways, this is more similar to 1994 than the last three cyles where there was far more consistency among top contenders over the course of the cycle.
jcoates, I think the general feeling is that politics prevail. And given Frank Carroll's comments over in the men's events, it seems that the American Federation is trying really hard to avoid that.
Beliver in Sasha's Perfect Program
Man this is close. I think that Davis and White have an edge with the Indian Dance OD which should boost them over the top... I see the FD for the two being really close as well. I assumed that Tanith and Ben would get the edge in the CD and that would be thier best chance at gold. Very interesting, and very fair judging!!!!!
So where is the "OVERSCORING" outrage? or that only happens in Russia or Europe?
On the Ice
I'm proud of the top three teams. I hope that Kimberly and Brent stay in third for the rest of this Nationals competition. It shall be great if they get that third spot on the olympic team.
No outrage needed here since no overscoring here. Unlike Dom/Shab, the Americans actually deserve their scores.
Originally Posted by oxade21
I agree that it appears that the fed is trying to judge "boosting-free" event. That's been clear thru 2 1/3 events. I think the CD scores actually substantiate that argument b/c of their closeness and based on Doris' assessment. (Headed home now to see for myself). NovBams being in third adds further weight to that point view.
Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue
Still I stand by my point that we have two strong teams and I think it's entirely reasonable to think one can make the podium in Vancouver, if not both.
Wicked Yankee Girl
Last edited by dorispulaski; 01-21-2010 at 09:52 PM.
The top four teams were wonderful. Fast, sure, just lovely Golden Waltzes. As a serious D/W fan, of course I'm thrilled they are in first. I've had to endure months of reading posts that B/A were going to beat them in the CD, hands down, and it's nice that the judges actually judged the skating here.
D/W were beautiful, I've never seen them skate this close, the turns were sharp, the quality of the lilting waltz very evident in every move, their speed was amazing. Just a fantastic CD for them. B/A were also beautiful, fast and just lovely to watch. Nav/Boms skated the best I've ever seen them in a CD as well. Their expression was great and technically they were spot on. S/B were technically great as well, I thought their connection was just a bit below N/B's, N/B skated more as a couple dancing together so I agree with N/B being slightly above S/B.
All in all, beautiful skating and it's thrilling to see our US dance teams so spectacular. Just a great CD event.