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    "Asian figure skaters good but Russians are coming"

    I think this article may have been mentioned before but there's a certain part of it that intrigued me...
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...uGaPq3YBkJ602A

    (Nikolai Morozov talking...)
    But he said each figure skating power has a cyclical crop of great talent and Russia has "three unbelievable young girls" now in their early teens who are too young to be eligible to compete in the Olympics.

    They can land several triple-triple combinations in a programme, he said, adding that Russia's figure skating federation was "working 24 hours a day" to cultivate young talent ahead of the 2014 winter Olympics in Sochi.

    "If you send them to the Olympics, they'll beat Mao, Yu-Na and Miki," Morozov said, without naming the Russians.

    Does anyone know which skaters he is referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonbinfan86 View Post
    I think this article may have been mentioned before but there's a certain part of it that intrigued me...
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...uGaPq3YBkJ602A

    (Nikolai Morozov talking...)
    But he said each figure skating power has a cyclical crop of great talent and Russia has "three unbelievable young girls" now in their early teens who are too young to be eligible to compete in the Olympics.

    They can land several triple-triple combinations in a programme, he said, adding that Russia's figure skating federation was "working 24 hours a day" to cultivate young talent ahead of the 2014 winter Olympics in Sochi.

    "If you send them to the Olympics, they'll beat Mao, Yu-Na and Miki," Morozov said, without naming the Russians.

    Does anyone know which skaters he is referring to?
    "Young teenagers" being the key word. Once these girls go through puberty they won't be the best anymore. I'm convinced asians dominate the sport because they are naturally thinner than European descent ladies. Take Yuna Kim, she's 5'5" and 103 pounds but still has a women's body type. A white girl in the US or Europe of the same height and weight would probably look anorexic or be a 14 year old who hasn't hit puberty.

    The Russian girls' bodies will change a lot more in coming years and most of them will probably struggle with jumps, though a few may stay good and become like Slutskaya.

    If I had to guess the girls they are talking about: Polina Shelepen, Anna Ovcharova, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

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    And I hope he doesn't honestly think they could beat Yuna right now if they were eligible for Vancouver...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonbinfan86 View Post
    And I hope he doesn't honestly think they could beat Yuna right now if they were eligible for Vancouver...
    Doubt it. But then again, Sasha thinks she can beat Yuna in Vancouver and I bet she won't land more than 3 or 4 triples in the FS at nats....

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    You can see for yourself though.

    Polina (age 14): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx_P0GykPzg

    Anna (age 13): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzuQHmQaWtI

    Elizaveta (age 13): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fFOUOtYrkA


    Yuna Kim (at age 14): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7nmsUs6OOs


    I think Yuna is better than all of them even at that age but I might be biased.

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    Was he sober when he said that?

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    "If you send them to the Olympics, they'll beat Mao, Yu-Na and Miki," Morozov said, without naming the Russians.
    What will Miki be thinking when she hears what he said?

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    she is probably so proud of having a coach who thinks that she is not even able of beating skaters of 13-15 years old

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    If I had to guess the girls they are talking about: Polina Shelepen, Anna Ovcharova, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
    If he said that those girls could land several 3-3...I guess it would be Polina Shelepen, Elizabeta Tuktamysheva, but also Adelina Sotnikova (last year russian national champion ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_327e4ktyQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibi View Post
    If he said that those girls could land several 3-3...I guess it would be Polina Shelepen, Elizabeta Tuktamysheva, but also Adelina Sotnikova (last year russian national champion ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_327e4ktyQ
    They still aren't better than Yuna, Mao, and Miki. Sure they can jump but they are not very polished at all. Polina also from the length of her legs looks like she'll be about 5'8" once she's done growing and that's bad news for skating.


    Elizaveta is probably the best of the little Russians, but so many people thought Mirai and Caroline were going to take the world by storm when THEY were 13. Three years later they've grown from munchkins to normal sized teenagers and are "average" on the international, and even sometimes national, scene, without 3-3s (Caroline still does hers but it's always downgraded). Anna might be the only one who stays good because she already looks quite tall and is very musical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    You can see for yourself though.

    Polina (age 14): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx_P0GykPzg

    Anna (age 13): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzuQHmQaWtI

    Elizaveta (age 13): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fFOUOtYrkA


    Yuna Kim (at age 14): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7nmsUs6OOs


    I think Yuna is better than all of them even at that age but I might be biased.
    To be fair Elizaveta not 13, but 12 on that video from last year.


    Here is Elizaveta from this year

    SP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycoM0bJ2-EY

    LP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts6iGM8oCng

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Elizaveta is probably the best of the little Russians, but so many people thought Mirai and Caroline were going to take the world by storm when THEY were 13. Three years later they've grown from munchkins to normal sized teenagers and are "average" on the international, and even sometimes national, scene, without 3-3s (Caroline still does hers but it's always downgraded). Anna might be the only one who stays good because she already looks quite tall and is very musical.
    Elizaveta is better than Caroline/Mirai were at their age. She has excellent technique on her jumps (a true lutz AND a true flip) and great skating skills. Its hard to know with puberty but the good technique on her jumps is something Caroline and Mirai never had (and neither some says does Anna)

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    The usual nationalistic braggadocio from a Russian based on so much hot hair. As I recall, the last time someone tipped a junior skater to beat the Olympic frontrunners, it was Japan's Mao Asada and she kicked Slutskaya's behind all the way back to the Urals. Let's see these vaunted youngins emerge from their yurts and back up that trash talk with some actual action.

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    I'm pretty sure that he's talking about Adelina Sotnikova (1st at Russian Senior and Junior nationals last year; 4th this year as a senior), Elizaveta Tuktamysheva and Polina Shelepen.

    Tuktamysheva and Sotnikova are 13 and will be age eligible for the JGP next year and Shelepen is 14 and obviously medaled at the JGPF this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    Elizaveta is better than Caroline/Mirai were at their age. She has excellent technique on her jumps (a true lutz AND a true flip) and great skating skills. Its hard to know with puberty but the good technique on her jumps is something Caroline and Mirai never had (and neither some says does Anna)
    Mirai always had good jump technique except for a slight flutz, her biggest problem is not technique but under-rotation, which she has had issues with even as a teeny tiny 13 year old (they've just gotten stricter about it recently).

    Polina definitely has weird technique, her landings are all shaky. Plus she can not do several types of 3-3s, at least in competition, her SP this year has a 3lz-3t and her LP doesn't have a 3-3 at all, only a 2a-3t. Her artistry is also not very good.

    Elizaveta is the best jumper, but artistically, Anna is better. Her SP this season is awesome, and considering these girls are so young, I think speed, overall skating, and musicality are more important things to consider than the super difficult combinations they can land because they weigh 70 pounds. Anna is also the tallest and oldest looking of the three, meaning if she can land the jumps now she probably will be able to in three years.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Al-fTq4A5g
    ^^ her SP from this year's senior nationals. I think she is just awesome

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