And as for the spectator sport about skating, I think that there are currently skaters who combine the technical and the artistic aspects of this sport really well Yu-na, Mao, Rochette, even Ando has spectacular jumps that can make you go wow!
I think its a good thing that the USFSA judges are finally cracking down on the UTRs. This will ensure that the coaches start teaching their young skaters how to jump correctly, even if it means a little more time. Look at the difference right now between Christina Gao and Caroline Zhang. There is only a one year difference... The US commentators said it really well about how Gao was hardly looking like the USA's next big hope at 13 ala Zhang. But she's clearly being regarded as that as now. Whereas Zhang is clearly going downhill. The difference between the two, Gao clearly had coaches and not just Orser who taught her how to jump correctly. It probably took her a little more time to develop this excellent technique but now that its there she can likely have a longer career.
You know, Sasha may have had a messy LP but I'm still really glad she came back for one last competitive hurrah. My opinion of her even improved because it couldn't have been easy to come back knowing you weren't consistent even in your prime. And she handled herself very well in that interview w/ that awful Andrea Joyce.
How sweet are Sasha and Mr. Nicks?? But I think he drilled it in her head too much that she needed to stay on her feet -- at the detriment of her performance. She was nowhere close to her usually dazzling self.
Or maybe what was "baloney" was Scott and Sandra not talking about Mirai's history of underrotating her jumps from the beginning. I think that most first time watchers would actually agree that its important that the jumps be rotated... That it wouldn't be fair for someone to get full credit for a glorified double. When I was watching I was sitting there telling my mom I don't know what Mirai's scores are going to be like, she tends to underrotate her jumps. So Mom wasn't up in arms when Rachael won.Originally Posted by Mathman
I think the problem is that most people who saw the competition thought that Mirai skated circles around Rachael.
And that really is the problem. When I go to a hockey game I don't know the blue line from the rings of Saturn, but I know what a goal is and I know that if you score more of them than the other guy then you win.
Yes, the skaters, federation officials, technical callers and the like know all about levels and deductions. But by the same token you can';t blame the first-time audience member or television viewer who just shrugs and says, that was baloney, I'll never watch that sport again.
^ Well, we can't settle this question on a message board. Instead, people will vote with their remotes. We'll see what happens.
LOL, I am not surprise tht the official caller chose to ignore Cohen's flutz. A Cohen comeback placing second in the sp is good for media attention,Kirby had mentioned the wrong edge and two-foot on Sasha's 3Z+2T in the SP, but the official caller chose to ignore Sasha's flutz at that time.
And guess who is her skating idol.Rachael Flatt has to be respected for her superior technical skills, nerves of steel and incredible consistency.
I like to see her improve on her speed for olysShe has worked hard over the past three years and has corrected her flutz as well as concentrating on other areas that need improvement, including speed and spins. Maybe her spins aren't top-level, but they are miles better than they were two years ago.
I finally got to watch Rachel and Mirai's FP. I fell asleep twice during Rachel's. I thought her 3-3 looked underrotated.
As for Mirai, she was great but her last jump was underrotated. I couldn't tell if other jumps were underrotated or not. All I can say is that her landing has gotten so much better!!
[QUOTE=ks777;457716]I finally got to watch Rachel and Mirai's FP. I fell asleep twice during Rachel's. I thought her 3-3 looked underrotated.
At last someone thinks like me.
Well, I just had my first chance to watch the LPs from the delayed west coast feeds. With benefit of already knowing the results and where the downgrades and edge calls were, I tried to focus on Mirai's jumps to see what I could see (no slo mo opportunity yet tho).
--looks like the ! call on the first lutz combo was correct
--second combo, 2A + 3T, 3T looked clearly underrotated to me in real time
--3Z #2 that was downgraded, I couldn't see the underrotate
--final 3T looked really close, I thought landing only slightly short of rotation but still within the allowance...tech caller must have seen more.
It's the PCS score that mostly puzzles me (and I think that deserves to be contested). I'm happy with the results of the competition, a little surprised at the weirdness of the technical caller (the fact that he didn't catch Sasha's wrong edge take off in the sp...Also, contrary to what some people are saying, the triple toe on the back end of Flatt's combo looked about as close to rotation as any of Mirai's UR jumps), stunned at Rachael's FS score, but, in the end, I think we have a decent team.
It's funny that we all are making such a big deal out of it though; Mirai seems pretty happy.
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Well, I've been gone all day (no, lol, didn't make it to Nationals), and came back this evening just in time for the Ladies Final at 9PM PST.
I noticed my predictions yesterday were right except for 1-2 were switched, and I can see why, though Mirai Nagasu IMHO deserved 1st place, the judges finally gave it to Rachael Flatt this time (after two 2nd place finishes these past two years despite Rach being the most consistent & being the highest place finisher at Worlds). Seems like they want to send her to the Olympics with as much support as possible, which should work wonders on her confidence level -- it'll go from very good to astronomical!
The Final was, once again, mediocre IMHO. I wanted everybody to skate their best and may the best one win. Unfortunately, that didn't happen. But cheers to 1-2, and also 3-4.
Lol, now I'm not so bummed about not getting Nationals tickets, instead my mind is on Olympic Mens Final tickets!