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    I think it is incumbent on the TV commentators to review the protocols after the marks are posted, and inform the public as to what caused a seemingly puzzling result. BTW, I think Scott Hamilton is a poor commentator because he reacts emotionally to what he sees instead of being an objective reporter. I dread his Olympic coverage (and Bezic's, too).

    I was in the audience and there wasn't an outcry against the result because so many of the audience members were wearing the earbuds and heard the technical specialist commentator remark that 3 of Mirai's jumps had been rated UR by the technical panel. While the audience loved her performance, they did understand that Mirai didn't have sufficient technical content to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    I think it is incumbent on the TV commentators to review the protocols after the marks are posted, and inform the public as to what caused a seemingly puzzling result. BTW, I think Scott Hamilton is a poor commentator because he reacts emotionally to what he sees instead of being an objective reporter. I dread his Olympic coverage (and Bezic's, too).
    and with that high pitched voice screaming constantly "she held on to it" as if no one noticed. All I could think of was to say, oh shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    I think it is incumbent on the TV commentators to review the protocols after the marks are posted, and inform the public as to what caused a seemingly puzzling result. BTW, I think Scott Hamilton is a poor commentator because he reacts emotionally to what he sees instead of being an objective reporter. I dread his Olympic coverage (and Bezic's, too).

    I was in the audience and there wasn't an outcry against the result because so many of the audience members were wearing the earbuds and heard the technical specialist commentator remark that 3 of Mirai's jumps had been rated UR by the technical panel. While the audience loved her performance, they did understand that Mirai didn't have sufficient technical content to win.
    Yes, I think you make good points.
    As you previously pointed out it was nice that no one booed Rachael when they saw that she had won. Rachael or any other skater does not deserve that type of treatment no matter how much another skater was preferred..

    But rules aside for a minute - skating can't survive as we know it without the type of performance Mirai delivered.

    The fact that Scott got emotionally involved along with the majority of the crowd and the majority of the TV viewers would be shortsighted and even foolish to overlook.

    Or, as some have mentioned in the past, we can lose the music and the costumes and just line up the skaters for a jumping contest - something like the vault in gymnastics.

    Then another event for spinning. Then an event for steps.......
    After all the separate events have been completed an all around winner can be declared with individual medals for the winners of each event.

    This would be the ultimate realization of the CoP. A pure athletic competition with little to do with the most unique aspect of skating - the performance art.

    Maybe they should try it. I am sure it is what Speedy would be most comfortable with. And while we are at it throw in a couple of sprint races so we can see who are the fastest figure skaters.

    I think the most special and unique aspect of figure skating - and what sets it apart from other sports - is the type of performance Mirai delivered at Natls.

    It is for moments like that that I have enjoyed skating. If they take that away, they lose me and the vast majority of fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    I think it is incumbent on the TV commentators to review the protocols after the marks are posted, and inform the public as to what caused a seemingly puzzling result. BTW, I think Scott Hamilton is a poor commentator because he reacts emotionally to what he sees instead of being an objective reporter. I dread his Olympic coverage (and Bezic's, too).

    I was in the audience and there wasn't an outcry against the result because so many of the audience members were wearing the earbuds and heard the technical specialist commentator remark that 3 of Mirai's jumps had been rated UR by the technical panel. While the audience loved her performance, they did understand that Mirai didn't have sufficient technical content to win.
    Maybe NBC should be feeding the earbud audio to their broadcasts. It sounds like you were getting better information than the TV viewers were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8rdad View Post
    Maybe NBC should be feeding the earbud audio to their broadcasts. It sounds like you were getting better information than the TV viewers were.
    First, I want to meet this tech controller who knows more about skating than Scott.
    Exactly what are the credentials of this tech caller?

    As a musician I have seen this over and over when reading columns written by music critics. I recall a particularly harsh review I once read about Jean-Pierre Rampal.

    I looked into it and found out this critic had played in their high school band and then majored in journalism in college.

    On the worst day of his life Rampal could play circles around this critic.

    I suspect Mirai, not to mention Scott can also skate circles - and I am talking about big, huge, gigantic circles - around this ear bud tech specialist.

    Here is a variation on an old quote:

    "Those who can skate, and those who can't become judges."

    When the day comes that I have to be told what I am seeing and what I am supposed to appreciate I hope I won't get trampled along with the hoard of fans running for the exit.

    Whatever happened to living in the moment and letting the emotions created by the skater determining our level of enjoyment from their performance?

    I am afraid such thoughts are alien to Speedy and his followers.

    ETA: I think the ear buds are a good idea for those who want them.
    I think it would be better to lose some of the secrecy and announce downgrades along with the score.
    Unfortunately this might lead to very loud booing from the crowd and it is obvious ISU is afraid of this. But if it is really a sport then they should do this.
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    Thank you, jenetfan, you said it all. I can't believe how moved I am by your words. They just have the same power as Michelle Kwan's 05 Spartacus SP. For me she portrayed the music so well, it was like entire life in 2 minutes and 40 seconds.

    Am I an old fashioned FS fan already? I miss those days when skaters put their lives in the program, but now they put nothing besides jumps and spins and sequences.


    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    First, I want to meet this tech controller who knows more about skating than Scott.
    Exactly what are the credentials of this tech caller?

    As a musician I have seen this over and over when reading columns written by music critics. I recall a particularly harsh review I once read about Jean-Pierre Rampal.

    I looked into it and found out this critic had played in their high school band and then majored in journalism in college.

    On the worst day of his life Rampal could play circles around this critic.

    I suspect Mirai, not to mention Scott can also skate circles - and I am talking about big, huge, gigantic circles - around this ear bud tech specialist.

    Here is a variation on an old quote:

    "Those who can skate, and those who can't become judges."

    When the day comes that I have to be told what I am seeing and what I am supposed to appreciate I hope I won't get trampled along with the hoard of fans running for the exit.

    Whatever happened to living in the moment and letting the emotions created by the skater determining our level of enjoyment from their performance?

    I am afraid such thoughts are alien to Speedy and his followers.

    ETA: I think the ear buds are a good idea for those who want them.
    I think it would be better to lose some of the secrecy and announce downgrades along with the score.
    Unfortunately this might lead to very loud booing from the crowd and it is obvious ISU is afraid of this. But if it is really a sport then they should do this.

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    1. Since they do post the downgrades/protocols on the internet, I don't think they're being that secret. In that regard, anyway

    2. I can understand a tech controller, who's specifically trained to spot thinks like URs, edge calls, etc would know more about those things than Scott Hamilton. More specifically, what Scott Hamilton says as a commentator I don't think immediately reflects his knowledge of figure skating. He tends to get really caught up in the skate and overlooks the nitty gritty like that. Hell, remember how he called Yagudin's long program in SLC (Link if you'd like a reminder - "If he's third, he's third")

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8rdad View Post
    Maybe NBC should be feeding the earbud audio to their broadcasts. It sounds like you were getting better information than the TV viewers were.
    Praise to be! A good explanation for a nitpicking score in CoP is what the Sport needs. Not everyone runs to the protocols 2 days later for such information, and instant information will be appreciated by all including the casual fans who will catch on and appreciate the sport more.

    I'm sure there is technolgy for bringing it to icenetwork and TV broadcasting, but they would have to bring the chatter of the commentators to a whisper similar to those commentators in golf sports.

    Great idea those EARBUDS !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryPogue View Post
    1. Since they do post the downgrades/protocols on the internet, I don't think they're being that secret. In that regard, anyway
    It is totally different unless the next CoP innovation is to pass out laptops to every fan entering the arena

    I can only conclude that ISU is afraid to announce or show downgrades along witht the score because urs and edge calls that can't be seen by the human eye in realtime would be bound to elicit booing and jeers from the crowd.

    Why else wouldn't they announce and post it on a scoreboard? To get the score they have to also have the dgs so it is obviously availabe.

    No, I think it is necessary to protect the techcallers. Imagine Yuna skating a picture perfect 3x3 and then having it announced with the score that it was downgraded.

    I somehow doubt Yuna's fans would take it passively - and who can blame them.

    It was mentioned there was no booing at Natls - but I wonder how the crowd would have reacted to seeing and hearing Mirai's dg's along with her score.

    They are such cowards and I can barely stomach Speedy and his NEED for so much secrecy.

    The reason for secrecy ceases to exist when you have nothing to hide.

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    Who's Speedy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Who's Speedy?
    Here he is in a press conference admitting he does not know figure skating so well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFg9_OflQ_U

    His name is Ottavio Cincuanta and he is the head of the ISU.
    His nickname, "Speedy" has to do with his background as a speed skater.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joesitz View Post
    Great idea those EARBUDS !!
    Yes, and speaking of buds why not issue a sixpack of Buds to each fan too

    Sort of a way to help numb the crowd which goes along well with the idea of ISU propaganda being fed to them through these earbuds.

    Or lose the secrecy and just announce and post on a scoreboard any downgrades along with the score.

    So what is the cost est of 15,000 earbuds? Could the money be spent a bit more wisely - maybe use it to help fund our skater's training costs?

    It would seem to be a heck of alot easier to just announce and post any dg's with the skater's score.

    And then, not only would the arena audience know what happened but so would millions of viewers watching on TV.

    And of course the announcers would know and be able to explain it as well.
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    The tech controller for the event was Lisa Marie Allen, 4 or 5 time US ladies Silver medalist, 5th at 80 Olympics. She is VERY detailed and very even/fair when it comes to calling programs

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    I think Blades of Passion made a good point on the thread in the Edge folder. In calling underrotated landings, should you consider the skater to be on the ice at the instant her toe pick touches? Or should it be when she is supporting her weight on the blade?

    This may be the reason why there are so many jumps that look fine in real time, but are downgraded by slo-motion replays.

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    The technical specialist who commented on the earbuds was DAVID KIRBY. Kirby is very experienced (he was a TS at the 2006 Olympics) and will be on the tech team at the Vancouver Olympics.

    Kirby certainly knows a great deal more the IJS than Scott Hamilton, and tons more than janetfan does. All Scott and Sandra do is complain about how hard IJS is to understand.

    Scott Hamilton acts like an idiot time after time, pre-judging the results of a competition based on his emotional reaction to one particular competitor. Then when the results are at odds with his biased reaction, he screams wuzrobbed. If TV audiences are misled, Scott is to blame, not the IJS.

    BTW, I thought Mirai's interpretation of "Carmen" was WAY off. Mirai smiled joyfully all the way through her FS, and looked nothing like Prosper Merimee's sultry seductress. Perhaps that's why Rachael got a higher IN score than Mirai did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    The technical specialist who commented on the earbuds was DAVID KIRBY. Kirby is very experienced (he was a TS at the 2006 Olympics) and will be on the tech team at the Vancouver Olympics.

    Kirby certainly knows a great deal more the IJS than Scott Hamilton, and tons more than janetfan does. All Scott and Sandra do is complain about how hard IJS is to understand.

    Scott Hamilton acts like an idiot time after time, pre-judging the results of a competition based on his emotional reaction to one particular competitor. Then when the results are at odds with his biased reaction, he screams wuzrobbed. If TV audiences are misled, Scott is to blame, not the IJS.

    BTW, I thought Mirai's interpretation of "Carmen" was WAY off. Mirai smiled joyfully all the way through her FS, and looked nothing like Prosper Merimee's sultry seductress. Perhaps that's why Rachael got a higher IN score than Mirai did.
    Maybe someday you can enlighten Scott with your vast knowledge of skating and the CoP.
    I am sorry if Scott does not announce events to your exacting requirements - but then why should he?

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