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    Quote Originally Posted by sk8rdad View Post
    Sasha has a history of bad flutzing. The fact that she didn't get call in the SP and only a minor edge error in the LP. That would tend to indicate that perhaps she has taken steps to correct her flutzing.
    Even I could see her flutz in the SP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    OK, but it is also clear the tech callers were asleep at the wheel for certain skaters.

    Did Sasha lose her flutz and did her two footed landing in the SP actually get missed by this tech panel? That my friend simply can't be explained away.

    In any sport once their is some favoritism shown it can be accepted the whole event has been fixed.

    Sorry, but the evidence is compelling and irrefutbable that the tech callers were not consistent and no way can their marks for Sasha be considered fair.

    That opens the door to seeing that rachael and Ashley were forgiven errors and only Mirai was held to a high standard.
    What "evidence" is "compelling" and "irrefutbable[sic]"? All I've seen is opinion and bizarre conspiracy theories presented as fact, with absolutely nothing to support them.

    Rachael received -GOE from the judges on the stepout of her 3F+3T (which was completely rotated), and all her other jumps were clean and completely rotated. Ashley received an edge call on her lutz, and two of her other jumps got -GOE for double-footing.

    Sasha did get -GOE on her two-footed lutz combo in the SP. You had only to look at the protocol to see that. As for Sasha's flutz in the SP, it is possible that one caller wanted the edge call, but the other disagreed, and the technical controller chose to resolve the conflict by giving the skater the benefit of the doubt. In the FS, Sasha did get an edge call on her lutz (as did Ashley and Mirai). But all three ladies got only a "!".

    Mirai performance was visually impressive, but unfortunately she did underrotate 3 jumps, as was proven on NBC through slomo replays. We can only hope that Mirai can fix her pick jump technique between now and Worlds so that the US will have 3 ladies for Worlds 2011.

    Fans who most value pretty skating without regard to technical precision would be better off going to live exhibition events where there are no judges and tech teams. SOI would seem to be the perfect match for people who don't like CoP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layfan View Post
    Even I could see her flutz in the SP.
    But the fact that the tech callers deliberately chose to ignore what Scott called as an under rotated flutz with a two footed landing followed by a under rotated 2T says it all.

    It was a fix and Mirai was underestimated and made it difficult for them

    A previous post is the worst excuse for denial ever because the poster admits there was cheating for Sasha but absolutely not for the others.

    Please, this is getting too funny

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    In the grand scheme of things, Mirai gets to go to the Olympics and will get UR calls there. Some people still fail logic. Some people still live in the 1980s. The earth will rotate a triple by this time on Friday. It's so funny and it's all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    In the grand scheme of things, Mirai gets to go to the Olympics and will get UR calls there. Some people still fail logic. Some people still live in the 1980s. The earth will rotate a triple by this time on Friday. It's so funny and it's all good.
    I agree and this stuff can be gripping but is ultimately funny

    And for sure I have faith in Mirai and believe in her and her name which says it all,
    Mirai is the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    But the fact that the tech callers deliberately chose to ignore what Scott called as an under rotated flutz with a two footed landing followed by a under rotated 2T says it all.

    It was a fix and Mirai was underestimated and made it difficult for them

    A previous post is the worst excuse for denial ever because the poster admits there was cheating for Sasha but absolutely not for the others.

    Please, this is getting too funny
    I don't think there was cheating for Sasha but she does have a good reputation and has not had any ur calls that I can remember. That helped the tech team to benefit of the doubt . Mirai ur why she was going through a growth spurt I think gave her a reputation for ur's so she unfortunately does not get the benefit of the doubt. Mirai ur calls were very close I am sure that she will get there and she has time before the olympics and worlds. I am happy that she is on the team and has a chance to improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    But the fact that the tech callers deliberately chose to ignore what Scott called as an under rotated flutz with a two footed landing followed by a under rotated 2T says it all.
    Scott was wrong when he crowed that Mirai had won because he wasn't astute enough to see the URs. The following day, the NBC broadcast clearly showed the URs.

    Sasha's two-foot landing on the lutz combo in the SP got -GOE from the judges.
    The earbud tech specialist said the lutz would be reviewed for edge. But both callers had to agree on the flutz and perhaps they didn't.

    It was a fix and Mirai was underestimated and made it difficult for them
    You keep saying that, but have offered zero in the way of evidence to support it. The replay evidence is clear that Mirai underrotated 3 jumps. Even one underrotation would have cost her the title because the SP was so close and Rachael had landed 7 triples.

    A previous post is the worst excuse for denial ever because the poster admits there was cheating for Sasha but absolutely not for the others.
    I have admitted nothing of the sort. I do not see any evidence of "cheating" or favoritism on behalf of any skater.

    The major denial taking place is the assertion that Mirai did not UR those 3 jumps. That Mirai didn't completely rotate those jumps has been proven to the satisfaction of everyone but the hard-core anti-Flatt contingent.

    The sour grapes are causing the boards to overflow with vinegar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Sasha's two-foot landing on the lutz combo in the SP got -GOE from the judges.
    The earbud tech specialist said the lutz would be reviewed for edge. But both callers had to agree on the flutz and perhaps they didn't.



    You keep saying that, but have offered zero in the way of evidence to support it.


    I have admitted nothing of the sort. I do not see any evidence of "cheating" or favoritism on behalf of any skater.

    The sour grapes are causing the boards to overflow with vinegar.
    I have enough proof and even you reluctantly admit it.

    Sasha's SP score of 69. was bogus, and our tech callers are responsible for failing to score her with integrity. We have enough proof on the clips and Scott also called it coz it was just so obvious and impossible not to see her msitakes.

    You can offer the same lame excuses but I have been around long enough to know that any cheating opens doubt - and it can be big doubt that this event suffered from shady scoring.

    By the way gkelly agreed the tech callers were questionable for the top four girls and so did many others.

    I have no idea why your world depends on this fixation of honest scoring - but even a casual fan could see something was wrong with Natls scoring.

    The first proof is Sasha's SP score. And if you deny it was wrong then we know where we stand on this with no further discussion needed.

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    All right, janetfan. The score for Sasha was bogus. Then what? Do you believe

    a) that it was an honest error
    b) that it was a deliberate attempt to boost a skater

    And how does this reconcile with your view regarding Nagasu's skate?

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    Just to clarify: If Sasha had been given an edge call on the lutz in the SP, she probably would only have been given an additional -GOE of -1 for a ! (which she did get in the FS). Sasha would have been in third place instead of second in the SP, but ultimately that would have made no difference in the outcome of the competition.

    OTOH, Mirai's documented URs cost her about 12 points, since she completely rotated only 3 triples in her FS. On the non-jump elements (spins, spiral and footwork), she outscored Rachael by 2.21 points, but Rachael outscored Mirai on jumps by 14.32 points.

    The bottom line: The results are correct as they stand.

    No one has offered proof that they aren't. There've been lots of wild, sweeping assumptions with no basis in fact, but it's all sound and fury signifying nothing.

    And despite all the misinterpretations of my posts, I see NO evidence of cheating, malfeasance or deliberate manipulation in the results of the National Senior Ladies competion.
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    For what it's worth, I had the chance to talk to a co-worker who was in Spokane.
    I asked him if there was any chatter about Mirai being judged unfairly at the arena. He said that yes, Mirai was definitely the crowd favorite, but that once people realized she had the URs most understood the deal.

    I also told him a little bit about the discussion on GS and how some folks felt COP would cause a drop in the audience and television viewership.

    "That's bull****" he said quickly. He then pointed out that he (and others) likes the the COP because it gives a better, if not perfect, idea of what exactly skaters need to work on. He also said that he thinks its great that the COP takes care of that pesky saving scores thing in 6.0 that prevent anyone to catch up in the long program. He believes that all the confusion would be fixed with a simple explanation by the announcers.
    "Every judging system has its flaws and will need to be tweaked."

    He was more annoyed at the fact that NBC extended the competition too long and preferred that it would be done over one week rather than two.

    Just thought I'd share. (Didn't get to ask him about the earbuds though!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Sasha's two-foot landing on the lutz combo in the SP got -GOE from the judges.
    That is, it got negative GOEs from three of the nine judges. Six thought it was OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    That is, it [Sasha's 2-foot lutz] got negative GOEs from three of the nine judges. Six thought it was OK.
    Overall, though, the jump wound up with -0.14 GOE.

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    -0.14 it is. I can't deny it.

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    Alright, gonna flaunt my ignorance here. For some reason I was thinking judges and/or tech panel were not necessarily the same for both lp and sp. Are they completely the same, barring an official falling ill or for whatever reason not able to do both phases?

    Shows how much I've bothered looking up even some of the most basic stuff about CoP.

    TIA

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