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    Which compulsory dance will it be at the Olympics? Which team has a strong history with this dance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruin714 View Post
    Which compulsory dance will it be at the Olympics? Which team has a strong history with this dance?
    It is the Golden Waltz.

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    Here are the highest scorers in Compulsory Dances this season:

    1. Virtue/Moir (CD at Canadian Nationals)
    2. Domnina/Shabalin (CD at Europeans)
    3. Faiella/Scali (CD at Italian Nationals)
    4. Belbin/Agosto (CD at Skate America)
    5. Davis/White (CD at Rostelecom)/Khoklova/Novitski (CD at Europeans)
    6. Kerr/Kerr (CD at British Nationals)

    So, internationally, Domnina/Shabalin have had the highest scored Compulsory Dance this season, followed by Belbin/Agosto and Davis/White. Although they haven't competed yet this season, Delobel/Shoenfelder have long been very consistent Compulsory Dance skaters. Here is a thread with more information and various videos of the Golden Waltz from the 2009 Cup Of China:

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29227

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    They haven't drawn the CD for the Olympics yet. See here.

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    Thanks, that's pretty late for the draw.

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    It was drawn today, and it is the Tango Romantica. Here's how the teams did this season:

    It was skated at Europeans and the teams who competed there finished in this order:

    Domnina & Shabalin Europeans 2010 (1st)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejHPx...eature=channel

    Khoklova & Novitski Europeans 2010 (2nd)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CShf0cn4UGM

    Faiella & Scali Europeans 2010 (3rd)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW86y1sAGbg

    Kerr & Kerr Europeans 2010 (4th)

    Pechalat & Bourzat Europeans 2010 (5th)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztJlgIMmwfI

    Cappellini & Lanotte Europeans 2010 (6th)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8RgfS91cys

    Virtue and Moir finished first in the Tango Romantica at Skate Canada, and at Canadian Nationals. I can't find a copy of their Canadian Nationals performance:

    Virtue & Moir Skate Canada 2009 (1st)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIkF2LoQMgA

    Davis and White finished first in the tango romantica at Nebelhorn trophy, Rostelecom Cup, and NHK. The only copy of them skating it is at Rostelecom, where Crone / Poirier also competed.

    Davis & White Rostelecom Cup 2009 (1st)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHj_bsBLSZU

    Crone & Poirier Rostelecom Cup 2009 (4th in segment, behind D&W, C&L, and Rubleva Shefer)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5jcJ...eature=related

    Delobel and Schoenfelder did a monitoring session with the TR this week, and skated it at Europeans in 2006, for sure, although they have not competed this dance (or any other) this year.

    Delobel & Schoenfelder Europeans 2006
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA3k_yZO-to

    Belbin & Agosto did not compete the TR this year. They won the Tango Romantica CA at 4CC's in 2006, but I couldn't find a video of it. They do share training ice with DomShabs, and coach Linichuk, so they should be well aware of what the TR should look like and how to do it.

    Here's some greats of the past skating the Tango Romantica. I probably like G&P's version best.

    Grishuk & Platov do the Tango Romantica
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAE8Gl1bJKY

    Navka & Kostomarov Russian Nationals TR 2006
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8YV7...eature=related

    Klimova & Ponamarenko 1992
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FVOm...eature=related

    Annissina & Peizerat 2001
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyXCZ...eature=related

    Torvill & Dean 1980 (they are 22 & 21)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-atHYyPPIi8
    Last edited by dorispulaski; 02-04-2010 at 09:53 PM.

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    Thanks for posting those links, dorispulaski!

    I enjoyed watching them.

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    For those curious about how this is judged, judging of the TR is discussed in the following link. I won't describe the exact steps and errors, as that is done in the document.


    http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=1442

    ISU Communication 1567, page 8, describes the judging of the Tango Romantica

    However, the PCS marks are fairly understandable to the average fan.

    Skating Skills
    Ice coverage without visible pushing; cleanness and sureness of steps; strongly curved
    well rounded lobes; lobe to lobe transitions well controlled; controlled body weight
    changes; light knee action; clean, tight, crisp footwork.

    Performance
    Perfect vertical and horizontal unison; good carriage and style; controlled body action;
    nicely matched free legs; balance in performance between partners.

    Interpretation
    Expression of the typical changes between the soft and strong character of the rhythm,
    relationship between partners reflecting the lyrical mood of this Tango. Well-defined
    and strong edges should be skated with a lot of character using good knee action, tight,
    clean footwork with matching free leg movements. For good presentation and
    interpretation the body style and movements should reflect Tango rhythm.

    Timing
    Very precise and crisp timing, exact beat value for each step, sometimes syncopated to
    bring out the Tango character.
    And as to "syncopation" in tango dancing, the following link is useful. Not that Grishuk and Platov use quite strong syncopation, and as such, impart a really nice tango character to their Tango Romantica.

    http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/tan...ry/006313.html

    For example, in Tango, we have the "and-moment", when we suspend before surging. The engagement with our partner (both leader & follower) comes ahead of the first beat of the music. Musically, the bandoneon starts wheezing before the musician stomps his leg to punctuate the "1". If tango didn't have this suspension and surge, it feels flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski;463178
    And as to "syncopation" in tango dancing, the following link is useful. Not that Grishuk and Platov use quite strong syncopation, and as such, impart a really nice tango character to their Tango Romantica.

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    http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/tango-l/2008-January/006313.html[/url]
    Grishuk & Platov certainlly had good technique and good speed but this is a more "romantic" tango and there was nothing in their performance here that looked like they even knew each other! I preferred Klimova & Ponomarenko's version, good technique, not as fast but they actually looked like they enjoyed skating this dance together.

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    Yes, the dance is supposed to be more romantic than the Argentine, for example. However, I found K&P's ability to convey the character of the dance a bit inferior to G&P. We are talking about two all time great teams here, so of course both are excellent.

    YMMV, however, as both performances are great.

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    After watching most of the clips so graciously provided my predictions after the CD are:

    Domina Shabalin. Given the fact that Domina and Shabalin have already skated this dance recently, and done it well, I predict the will once again, do it well and be well rewarded.

    Virtue and Moir. A dance like this plays to their strengths.

    Belbin and Agosto. I think the international judges prefer their long leg line to Davis and White's speed.

    Davis and White. Just 10ths of a point behind 3rd.

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    Thanks for the links!

    It is amazing how we can compare this dance over a 30 year time period.

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    Here are a couple other winning tango romanticas from the past:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3JtWL61fco

    Linichuk & Karponosov 1980 Olympics
    Shows the 'sinuous' and 'arrogant' part of the description very well

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjirpSnNia0

    Krylova and Ovsiannakov 1999 Worlds

    and, while we're at it, here's the documentation from ice-dance.com

    Step Chart Page One
    http://www.ice-dance.com/reference/c...rom-chart1.gif
    Step Chart Page Two
    http://www.ice-dance.com/reference/c...rom-chart2.gif

    Man's steps and pattern
    http://www.ice-dance.com/reference/c...ngorom-man.gif

    Lady's steps and pattern
    http://www.ice-dance.com/reference/c...ngoromlady.gif

    Description
    http://www.ice-dance.com/reference/c...go%20romantica

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    According to NBC this is the tech panel for the Dance
    The ice dance technical panel is Marika Humphreys-Baranova (GBR), Francesca Fermi (ITA), and Katalin Alpern (controller, ISR). Halina Gordon Poltorak is the referee.

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    Thanks for the info. The conspiracy theories may now begin :lol:

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