I just said her PCS goes up and her TES also is going up so she's closing the gap between the top 4 quickly. I don't think anyone said her PCS now rivals the top 4.Originally Posted by bekalc
The point was, last year, the top 4 can make 1 mistake and still have a comfortable margin over Rachael. Not this year. They make one mistake, it will be close. They make 2 mistakes, Rachael will overtake them.
1. Her PCS advantage isn't noteworthy, though. It'll help, but a two-three point PCS advantage is essentially margin of error stuff.It's not noteworthy by itself, but very much so in the context I presented.
Flatt has PCS advantage over Suzuki, regardless of the amount.
Flatt TES is also stronger than Suzuki. So I was just wondering how some people think Suzuki can beat a clean Flatt? It's not like there's a third component decided by online posters and bekalc aproved = + 3 GOE.
I think if Flatt delivered, she can just sit back and watch the other headcases explode. There will be quite a few, especially if she put pressure on them by skating first of the final group.
It's all about strategy and mind game on top of what you can actually do under pressure. If the other girls can't deliver when it counts then the nightmare is their own making and they get to live it for the rest of their life.
2. TES? Yep - Flatt > Suzuki.
3. Your scenario is just that - a scenario. I can envision dozens. Not sure what's funny about great skaters living a nightmare of their own making at the biggest event of their careers, though. Could you explain that to me?
Well, I guess we should let Flattfan live out his/her fantasies. I think Flatt being on the podium is not only a nightmare for the other elite skaters but also a nightmare for a lot of skating fans. I mean a lot of people even complained when she won nationals against Mirai who was more graceful, so I can imagine all hell will erupt if she beats even greater skaters
. I think the general viewers prefer graceful and aesthetically pleasing skaters, and Flatt just doesn't do it. Harsh but true.
It will be interesting to see what kind of PCS push Rachael will get as a result of being the US Champion. PCS is rated more on politics, reputation, and momentum than it is on aesthetics.
I dunno. Sure, she's the US champion but that doesn't say much when everyone knows that the US team has been pretty weak in recent years. In a way, I feel if Sasha made the team, she may have helped the American team in the PCS dept because she brings some reputation with her. Rachel has a lot of good qualities such as consistency and strong nerves, but what she lacks is the "it' factor, which helped propel teenage phenoms to the top before. Even Tonya Harding (whose altheltic prowess is similar to Flatt's) had that "it" factor. When she was on, she could really excite the crowd. Rachel's skating is just too bland. She really needs to work on that to have the results match her consistency.
Well, speaking for skating fans now? I suppose having that power means you can actually censor fantasies. Censor this,Well, I guess we should let Flattfan live out his/her fantasies
Mao absolutely bomb the SP, score 40+.
Then proceed to bomb the LP, score 90+, place 25th.
Miki repeat her 15th place.
It's funny how someone a Miki fan wants a graceful and aesthetically pleasing skaters.
How about if Rachael doesn't qualify for the LP?Well, speaking for skating fans now? I suppose having that power means you can actually censor fantasies. Censor this,
Mao absolutely bomb the SP, score 40+.
Then proceed to bomb the LP, score 90+, place 25th.
Miki repeat her 15th place.
It's funny how someone a Miki fan wants a graceful and aesthetically pleasing skaters.
Oh, gosh! I'm joking! I don't like Rachael, but I want all skaters to do well!
Well, when so many articles published questioning her artistry compared to mirai, that recent comp result may not help her. I personally do not think her presentation bad though (perhaps she can get rid of some of the spins and find music that better matches her. But she is a very expressive and intelligent performer and I liked her La Mer).
Last edited by Bennett; 02-06-2010 at 11:30 PM.
Well, speaking for skating fans now? I suppose having that power means you can actually censor fantasies. Censor this,
Mao absolutely bomb the SP, score 40+.
Then proceed to bomb the LP, score 90+, place 25th.
Miki repeat her 15th place.
It's funny how someone a Miki fan wants a graceful and aesthetically pleasing skaters.. Anyways, I have no intention of censoring your fantasies, if you read my first line, I said you can live out your fantasies as much as you want
. Also, I know those comments sound harsh but I am just saying out from my observations. Many of my friends and family, skating and non-skating fans, watched Rachel's LP at nationals said even harsher things about it that I am not going to repeat here. Also, don't you think you were the one trying to control Olympic destiny by predicting that the top contenders bomb and live out their nightmare? I mean if you don't want harsh things said to your beloved skater, you shouldn't wish bad on others. Just saying.
Last edited by museksk8r; 02-06-2010 at 11:34 PM.
They may not. But the point is that Mirai outskated Rachael on that night in terms of presentation. If Rachael won the comp in a more definitive way in terms of presentation, it would be more convincing in boosting her PCS. I recall Nakano came to receive better PCS after her breakthrough performances at Worlds 2008. I think that Mirai may be in a similar situation right now at least within the US as far as her PCS goes.
hahahaha. good one.How about if Rachael doesn't qualify for the LP?
Oh, gosh! I'm joking! I don't like Rachael, but I want all skaters to do well!
Here are my predictions and in no particular order
PAIRS
1. Xue Shen and Hongbo Zhao (CHN)
2. Aliona Savchenko and Robin Szolkowy (GER)
3. Qing Pang and Jian Tong (CHN)/Yuko Kavaguti and Alexander Smirnov (RUS)
MEN
1. Jeremy Abbott (USA)
2. Evgeny Plushenko (RUS)
3. Patrick Chan (CAN)
ICE DANCING
1. Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir (CAN)
2. Meryl Davis and Charlie White (USA)
3. Tanith Belbin and Ben Agosto (USA)/Oksana Domnina and Maxim Shabalin (RUS)
LADIES
1. Yu-Na Kim (KOR)
2. Mao Asada (JPN)
3. Joannie Rochette (CAN)/Miki Ando (JPN)
It's funny how someone a Miki fan wants a graceful and aesthetically pleasing skaters.Miki definitely doesn't have more artistry and presentation than Flatt. Miki's artistry has improved but she is still awkward. Her strength is her technical elements. I watched Flatt's programs from Nationals. I don't see why people are picking on her so much. I don't see her artistry any less than Kostner or even Rochette. Mao's programs this year doesn't add that much either. It's not like Cohen is going to the Olympics.
The difference is that Miki is kind of like Irina in that while Miki is not that graceful (although she's more refined than Rachael). She is still a very powerful fast skater who gets great coverage accross the ice, and her jumps are huge with great flow. So Miki inspite of not being the most graceful skater has still some rather impressive live.
The thing about Rachael is that while she is a very consistent jumper, its not like her jumps are these amazing things on their own. They are actually rather tight/ just barely rotated; They don't have great height and they don't have great flow. And Rachael does not have the speed, flow accross the ice that Ando has. So the difference is that neither are the most artistic skaters around but at least Ando skates with speed and power and has amazing jumps to look at.
In the case of Mao, she by all accounts is absolutely incredible to watch live. Mao has incredible posture and line. Wonderful soft knees and has a softness accross the ice.
As for Carolina Kostner. Kostner has arguably the best basic skating skills in the world. Amazing edges, and incredible speed. She also has great line. Nice jumps with flow.
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