I don't know if I see it this way. I think one of team Kwan's problems was they underestimated Lipinski. Everyone told Michelle that if she was clean she'd win. And her father told her to skate safely which she did. She was according to people who were there slow-slower than she was at Nationals. And really maybe her injury did prevent her from doing the 3toe/3toe but I wonder if even then she would have kept it considering she replaced her 3flip with a 3toe for the short. I guess what I'm saying is I don't think Michelle really went in there fighting.As much as it pains me to say it, all signs point to a repeat of 1998.
In contrast, while Yu-na may have been hearing the unbeatable talk earlier. I think she's gotten more than a few wake up calls. I suspect that GPF was a way bigger wakeup call than Skate America because Ando was one 3/3 or double axel/3toe from beating Yu-na out right. And I think Yu-na talking her 3lip suggests someone who isn't trying to place it safe this year. Orser said she'll be going in there fighting. If Yu-na doesn't win, I really think it will be more of a Salt Lake thing than a Nagano thing but we will see. But with Mao skating better and stuff I don't see Yu-na going in there skating not to lose.
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I don't know if I see it that way. In 2008, Mao definetly had more technical content than Yu-na. But now I think that's arguable. I mean Mao has no 3lutz, no 3salchow, and no 3/3s. Yes, Yu-na doesn't have a 3loop and no 3 axel, but she does have 2 3lutzs, a 3/3, and a double axel/3toe. And Yu-na has more complicated choregraphy and transitions. Mao took out all of her transitions. I think given this, Yu-na has a good chance of beating a clean Mao. Although I doubt both together will be clean, because that's never happened. In 2008 though I don't think Yu-na would have beaten a clean Mao.I do think that Mao has more technical content, and, if clean, can beat Yuna. The only way Yuna can beat a clean Mao is by accumulating a lot of GOEs on her jumps, which is possible since she has more complcated entrances than Mao.
But Mao needs to add another jump in her FS (2A or a 3Sal) since she`s only attempting 6 triple jumps, and a 2A. Yuna has 6 triples and 3 2A, with hard entrances so Yu-na is allowed to miss a jump and still be technically on par with Mao cause she is not taking advantage of all her jump passes.
Mao can't attempt another jump at this point without adding a 3/3, double axel/3toe, or some kind of sequence. And well Mao only got level 2 footwork but Yu-na missed a 3flip. But I was saying right now I don't think with her current layout Mao can claim technical superiority. I mean while Miss Mao has those two amazing triple axels, shes also missing a lot of things the others have. It would be close if both were clean though but I actually think if both are clean it would come down to the strength of the programs this time.But Mao needs to add another jump in her FS (2A or a 3Sal) since she`s only attempting 6 triple jumps, and a 2A.
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ETA Ha! bekalc beat me to it! It took me that long to figure out how the multi-quote works
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Go Yuna! (and Mao and everyone else )
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The thing is I kind of see your point. Because Yu-na's program I think is a bit dull. Rochette really has a rousing program... But Yu-na will likely if clean have more than a bit of a lead over Rochette after the short, and has higher base values, and more transitions. Maybe this could be the case with Mao, but I really think Mao's program's choregraphy and transitions could hurt Mao. We will really have to see. The one thing about Yu-na's program is its full of all kinds of transitions that really should help her clean up GOE points if she's clean.The similarity I saw with 1998 was in the assumption by the media and some experts that, if clean, Yuna is unbeatable.
Edited to add that watching Yu-na's TEB long again, I don't think that program is so dull anymore. The music has grown on me but most important the transitions in and out of the jumps really are amazing.
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Anyway, I couldn't figure out why he looked so nervous before the long program. I don't know if something happened in between those two days or what but we all know how she bombed the long. I don't know anything more. Maybe it was because of the bus-ful of Koreans coming from all over to see Yuna that was filling up the Rink on that Saturday. Or Yuna seemed to suggest she was really feeling the pressure of TEB or worried about her flip as Orser said at the K & C.
All this to say, if anyone knows this, Brian Orser knows, that absolutely nothing is a given on an Olympic Ice. A half a turn could mean (and it did for Brian in 88) a difference between a gold and silver. And I am sure they are preparing for all possibilities and most of all the mental games. I would not be surprised if Yuna's team is up-ping their elements, adding more things in. Not necessarily jumps but in all between stuff. With Akkiko getting levels 4s at 4CC in spins and steps. Yuna cannot afford not to.
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I remember reading on Yu-na's forum that Yu-na changed her boot right after Skate America.... I wonder if that played an issue in her horrible long because she looked like she was messing with that boot right before she skated....Who knows. I wonder too with her having trouble with her 3flip in practices if he was wondering about his decision to let her work on the flip edge the year of the Olympics...Then for some reason I ran smack into Brian Orser at a parking lot right before long. There was a over flow of traffic and they made us park quite a way down the hill so much so that they had to shuttle us back.
Who knows. I think the main thing for Yu-na is for her to come up with a back up plan if something happens with her 3lutz/3toe. And/or consider going back to the 3flip/3toe...She was right to omit it with her bad landing on the 3lutz at GPF, but she needs a back up if she has to do that again.
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