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Joined
Jul 11, 2003
Because the whole point of IJS was to DEFINE figure skating elements so that they could be MEASURED objectively. Just think. . . If you don't downgrade a jump that is just over 1/4 turn underrotated, then at what point will you downgrade it? 1/3 turn? 1/2 turn? Will you score an overrotated double as an underrotated triple? Will there be a fixed % decrease in the value of each jump depending on exactly what degree it was underrotated? Let's say they did that. . . How would you like seeing a whole slew of 3-1/2 revolution "quads" (and what would they call them anyway?) and 3 revolution triple axels (would they call them two-and-a-half-axels?). The point is that when you want to DEFINE something, you must draw the line somewhere. It's just like law.
I presume you are saying that an UR can only be measured objectively by a downgrade. Yes? and that a wrong-edge-take off from lutz to flip with its easier rotations and landings should not change the name of the jump that didn't happen. Apparently you believe there are flaws in the definitions of the elements. Yes? and although Landings of a jump are program disruptive, the Fall of the element should remain program attempted, and the air rotations should be considered as a teaching tool with points. Yes?

Now as Scott Hamilton says: All jumps turn the same way in the air (even counter rotation jumps) and land the same way. Only the Take-Off is different and that's what gives the jump a name. in It's obvious to me, but you can clarify it with Scott, if you like.

My major concern is to give the big Three Errors equal penalties. To me, one error is as bad as another. Why give partial credit to an error.We are talking about Senior Skaters
Failing that, we will just relax and enjoy wrong definitions. No need to send in the clowns. They are already here. (sorry, not emoticons on this page.)
 

Barb

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 13, 2009
Then do the tech specialists start counting the rotation of 3 loop at the take off and ratify it if it has at least a 2 and 1/4 revolutions in the air, instead of at least 2 and 3/4 revolutions?



yes.
 

Barb

Record Breaker
Joined
Oct 13, 2009
Then regarding Sal and Toe Loop, are they like 2 and 1/4 revolutions in the air and then would they DG only when it is two revolutions or less in the air?


honestly I dont know, I know about the loop because call me attention too much prerotation then I search about it, but I want to know about the sal too, then if someone else know it please tell us, however I will try search it.
 

Bennett

Record Breaker
Joined
Nov 20, 2007
honestly I dont know, I know about the loop because call me attention too much prerotation then I search about it, but I want to know about the sal too, then if someone else know it please tell us, however I will try search it.

It feels that Sal involves significantly less revolutions than Loop when actually doing it. But I do not know how judges count the # of revolutions when they assess URs.
 
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