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    World's Judges

    While I was checking for judges for the Olys I came across comm. 1595 judges for worlds, I'm not sure this an error but Canada has absolutely no judges for any of the events at worlds ! Can the ISU do this ? I think completely omitting a country like Canada from an event with such importance is shady to say the least! It's not only Canada but France, Great Britain, Italy amongst others who have no judges placed for dance,These countries have the top teams in dance and should have representation. The only thing I can think why this might have been done , is because of the low amount of skaters qualifying for each event , regardless of the fact Canada won a medal in every event except for pairs last year, Canada will still be shunned!

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    Why is it that Russia has a seat on the panel for every discipline, and is the only country to have that much representation?
    In addition, AZE and UZB have judges "loaned" from Russia, and they each have a seat on a panel.

    Here are the stats:
    Judges representing former SSRs: 11 seats
    Eastern European judges: 14 seats
    Western European judges: 12 seats
    Far Eastern judges (CHN, TPE, JPN, KOR): 7 seats
    North America (USA, MEX): 4 seats
    Other (AUS, RSA): 5

    So there are a total of 37 European judges, and only 16 from other areas.

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    I can't find any reasonable answer to why Canada has no judges, I am still shocked by what seems to be a boycott of somekind against Skate Canada, and I wonder if even SC knows? Maybe I should e-mail SC, ugh ! don't know what to do I am so frustrated I could spit!!! Actually I don't care that Italy doesn't have a judge in dance after what Massimo said about V&M , they can fight their way through like everyone else , I used to adore F&S but I can't believe that cheap shot, and how unsportsman like he was! And why oh why is it that only Russia has a judge in every discipline?

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    I don't think having competitive skaters/dancers has anything to do with the judges being picked.
    After all, AZE has no home-grown skaters, but seems to import all their "talent". UZB's top skater is Gimazetdinova, who will turn 30 in May and whose top performance at Worlds was 19th in 2007.

    Yet AZE and UZB seem to get judging assignments in ISU Championships, as well as the GP and the JGP.

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    please look up the ISU rules before complaining.
    There are RULES how the judges are picked. Since there are more countries entered then judges can sit there, it is a DRAW in the beginning of the season.
    AND it´s not like one contry is more important then the other. Bigger countries are not more important then smal countries AND THAT´S A GOOD THING

    http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by euroskate View Post
    please look up the ISU rules before complaining.
    There are RULES how the judges are picked. Since there are more countries entered then judges can sit there, it is a DRAW in the beginning of the season.
    AND it´s not like one contry is more important then the other. Bigger countries are not more important then smal countries AND THAT´S A GOOD THING

    http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=1635
    I agree!

    Figure Skating does not only exist of USA and Canada!
    Last edited by MagicFairy; 03-03-2010 at 09:50 AM.

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    Hey complaining is what we figure skating lovers do best! Thanks for the info Euroskate, but I still find it odd that Canada has no , ZERO, notta representation at such a major event , just saying!!!

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    Yes , well ,the draw...The trouble is, that the draw has not always worked fairly, historically..and for years and years , NA was at a supreme disadvantage , so you can't blame NA fans for being a bit apprehensive..they have so often seen the system work against their skaters.

    The hope is, that it will work more fairly now and increasingly into the future, and there is a lot of effort being put in by a lot of people to try to ensure this. One of the problems has been that many of the smaller countries , or should I say, countries where Figure skating is a relatively new sport, that now send skaters ( adopted or not),have not had qualified judges, so you've had the borrowing of judges from other countries ,which has not always been ideal , or sometimes , judges who really didn't have the necessary degree of knowledge or experience still judging at the world level.

    So now you have a concerted effort being made to educate judges from these countries, through ISU seminars , etc. to try to foster better judging and more fair representation. These things take time..so we'll what happens at World's . Like anonymous judging , I think a large imbalance in representation either way is not a good thing .
    Last edited by colleen o'neill; 03-03-2010 at 01:57 PM.

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    Nice to see US has 2 judge seats in dance--at last year's worlds, there was no US ice dance judge.

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    Doris..one hopes that their marks will be counted. Aren't they still doing the random selection of judges marks ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by colleen o'neill View Post
    Yes , well ,the draw...The trouble is, that the draw has not always worked fairly, historically...

    judges who really didn't have the necessary degree of knowledge or experience still judging at the world level...

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    I also heard those stories about the draw not beeing fairly, but well there isn´t really something you can do about, expect for hoping the people in charge execute their duties in a fair way.

    "Borrowed judges" are kind of a problem, I agree.
    But I don´t think that judges who are serving at ISU Championships are not well educated. There might be some "bad" ones for sure, but in general it is really hard to become an ISU Championship judge. First you have to qualifiy at the national level and then do good work internationally before you even can attend the examination to become ISU judge.

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    Well, most of the Olympic judging was pretty good. There were a couple of exceptions, but on the whole pretty good. So I am hoping worlds will be judged well.

    Johnny Weir would be one of the exceptions. I think the judging of Weir was just wrong.

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    Doris the USA has only one judge in dance for the OD & FD ( the 2 represents which portion of the event to be judged) Canada, Italy, Great Britain, and France amongst others have no judges in Dance at all, makes you wonder if these countries were even put in the hat!!!

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    euroskate...in my previous post, I meant the important word to be historically..I remember , some years back, there being concern about the way judges were assigned since new skating countries were fairly entitled to have judges, but didn't have the judges to fill the spots, so you might have a judge who just met only minimal requirements at quite important events. I'm sure progress has been made in the meantime and certainly didn't mean to imply that any old person could be accredited.
    Anonymity doesn't help to assuage doubts.

    To my less-than-expert eyes , the Olympic judging was pretty good, but I'll be really interested to see what happens at world's. Leaving aside any Olympic tendency to inflate, if there's a big difference in how marks are awarded , I might be skeptical , at least of how the draw is conducted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euroskate View Post
    please look up the ISU rules before complaining.
    There are RULES how the judges are picked. Since there are more countries entered then judges can sit there, it is a DRAW in the beginning of the season.
    AND it´s not like one contry is more important then the other. Bigger countries are not more important then smal countries AND THAT´S A GOOD THING
    http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=1635
    it does say draw at the Hilton in Zuruck but who does the actualy drawing? The Judges? or the Council?

    Now if they just mentioned how the judges' names show up in the protocols (I believe that is random also) it would make me very happy to conclude that there is no cheating in judging figure skating.

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