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    CD is the Westminster Waltz for Jr Worlds

    http://www.isu.org/vsite/vcontent/co...s-item,00.html

    The draw was made at Four Continents.

    Perhaps not coincidentally, since the Russian Junior National Championships were skated after this draw, the CD the juniors competed at was the Westminster Waltz. I definitely admire the common sense of the Russian Federation for handling it this way.

    Now that is smart planning. By holding the Junior championship at the same time as the senior championships (and hence before the 4 Continents draw), both the US and Canadian federations were unable to be sure that the CD they picked for Nationals would be competed at Jr Worlds.

    And in the case of the US, it indeed will not. The Argentine Tango was chosen for the Juniors at US Nationals.

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    Any live stream?

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    Standings after 2 groups:
    1. Anastasia GALYETA / Alexei SHUMSKI (UKR) 29.14
    2. Charlotte AIKEN / Josh WHIDBORNE (GBR) 28.29
    3. Abby CARSWELL / Andrew DOLEMAN (CAN) 24.56
    4. Yiyi ZHANG / Nan WU (CHN) 24.03
    5. Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST (SUI) 23.79
    6. Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON (FRA) 23.61
    7. Lesia VALADZENKAVA / Vitali VAKUNOV (BLR) 22.22
    8. Ksenia PECHERKINA / Aleksander JAKUSHIN (LAT) 20.72

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/wjc2010/SEG007.HTM

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    After 4 groups:

    1. Anastasia GALYETA / Alexei SHUMSKI (UKR) 29.14
    2. Charlotte AIKEN / Josh WHIDBORNE (GBR) 28.29
    3. Geraldine BOTT / Neil BROWN (FRA) 27.78
    4. Gabriela KUBOVA / Dmitri KISELEV (CZE) 27.38
    5. Justyna PLUTOWSKA / Dawid PIETRZYNSKI (POL) 25.76
    6. Katelyn GOOD / Nikolaj SORENSEN (DEN) 25.29
    7. Abby CARSWELL / Andrew DOLEMAN (CAN) 24.56
    8. Sonja PAULI / Tobias EISENBAUER (AUT) 24.48
    9. Yiyi ZHANG / Nan WU (CHN) 24.03
    10. Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST (SUI) 23.79
    11. Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON (FRA) 23.61
    12. Lesia VALADZENKAVA / Vitali VAKUNOV (BLR) 22.22
    13. Ioana Harmony RISCA / Chase Andrews BROGAN (ROU) 22.17
    14. Sofia SFORZA / Francesco FIORETTI (ITA) 22.00
    15. Kristina TREMASOVA / Dimitar LICHEV (BUL) 21.28
    16. Ksenia PECHERKINA / Aleksander JAKUSHIN (LAT) 20.72
    17. Ayesha YIGIT / Shane SPEDEN (NZL) 17.74

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    Full results:

    1 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 37.52 20.24 17.28 6.85 6.75 7.10 7.05 0.00 #28
    2 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 34.27 18.48 15.79 6.35 6.20 6.40 6.35 0.00 #33
    3 Ekaterina PUSHKASH / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS 34.20 18.38 15.82 6.30 6.15 6.40 6.55 0.00 #34
    4 Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN RUS 34.17 18.04 16.13 6.50 6.20 6.60 6.60 0.00 #27
    5 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 33.32 18.24 15.08 6.05 5.90 6.15 6.05 0.00 #20
    6 Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Simone VATURI ITA 32.35 17.28 15.07 5.95 5.90 6.20 6.15 0.00 #31
    7 Rachel TIBBETTS / Collin BRUBAKER USA 31.89 17.16 14.73 6.00 5.70 5.90 6.00 0.00 #26
    8 Anastasia GALYETA / Alexei SHUMSKI UKR 29.14 16.26 12.88 5.20 5.00 5.20 5.25 0.00 #8
    9 Stefanie FROHBERG / Tim GIESEN GER 28.56 15.84 12.72 5.15 4.95 5.20 5.10 0.00 #25
    10 Charlotte AIKEN / Josh WHIDBORNE GBR 28.29 16.12 12.17 4.90 4.75 4.90 4.95 0.00 #6
    11 Piper GILLES / Zachary DONOHUE USA 27.83 15.40 12.43 5.05 4.75 5.10 5.05 0.00 #29
    12 Geraldine BOTT / Neil BROWN FRA 27.78 15.64 12.14 4.85 4.60 5.00 5.10 0.00 #10
    13 Olivia Nicole MARTINS / Alvin CHAU CAN 27.68 15.18 12.50 4.95 4.85 5.10 5.20 0.00 #22
    14 Oksana KLIMOVA / Sasha PALOMAKI FIN 27.67 15.94 11.73 4.60 4.60 4.75 4.90 0.00 #32
    15 Gabriela KUBOVA / Dmitri KISELEV CZE 27.38 16.06 11.32 4.50 4.25 4.70 4.80 0.00 #15
    16 Dora TUROCZI / Balazs MAJOR HUN 27.20 15.50 11.70 4.75 4.50 4.75 4.75 0.00 #30
    17 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 27.04 15.64 11.40 4.55 4.45 4.60 4.70 0.00 #19
    18 Justyna PLUTOWSKA / Dawid PIETRZYNSKI POL 25.76 15.20 10.56 4.30 4.00 4.25 4.40 0.00 #17
    19 Maria POPKOVA / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 25.74 14.92 10.82 4.40 4.15 4.45 4.35 0.00 #18
    20 Katelyn GOOD / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN 25.29 14.60 10.69 4.45 4.00 4.40 4.30 0.00 #16
    21 Nikola VISNOVA / Lukas CSOLLEY SVK 25.26 14.46 10.80 4.45 4.10 4.40 4.35 0.00 #24
    22 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 25.24 14.50 10.74 4.40 4.10 4.35 4.35 0.00 #23
    23 Abby CARSWELL / Andrew DOLEMAN CAN 24.56 14.14 10.42 4.35 3.90 4.20 4.25 0.00 #4
    24 Sonja PAULI / Tobias EISENBAUER AUT 24.48 14.64 9.84 3.95 3.80 4.05 4.00 0.00 #9
    25 Karolina PROCHAZKOVA / Michal CESKA CZE 24.22 14.18 10.04 4.10 3.90 3.95 4.10 0.00 #21
    26 Yiyi ZHANG / Nan WU CHN 24.03 14.16 9.87 4.00 3.75 4.05 4.05 0.00 #1
    27 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 23.79 14.12 9.67 3.95 3.70 3.95 3.90 0.00 #3
    28 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 23.61 14.08 9.53 3.80 3.60 4.00 3.95 0.00 #2
    29 Lesia VALADZENKAVA / Vitali VAKUNOV BLR 22.22 13.52 8.70 3.50 3.25 3.55 3.70 0.00 #5
    30 Ioana Harmony RISCA / Chase Andrews BROGAN ROU 22.17 13.40 8.77 3.60 3.25 3.70 3.55 0.00 #14
    31 Sofia SFORZA / Francesco FIORETTI ITA 22.00 13.22 8.78 3.65 3.25 3.60 3.60 0.00 #13
    32 Kristina TREMASOVA / Dimitar LICHEV BUL 21.28 13.22 8.06 3.20 3.10 3.30 3.35 0.00 #11
    33 Ksenia PECHERKINA / Aleksander JAKUSHIN LAT 20.72 12.54 8.18 3.35 3.05 3.40 3.35 0.00 #7
    34 Ayesha YIGIT / Shane SPEDEN NZL 17.74 11.24 6.50 2.70 2.25 2.80 2.75 0.00 #12

    I think I&K have got this thing, unless they fall down, or the judges run screaming from their free dance.:sheesh:

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    I think I&K have got this thing, unless they fall down, or the judges run screaming from their free dance.
    I heard her free dance costume is toned down a bit. Besides, didn't they win the free dance at JGPF? They are a lovely team.

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    I cross my fingers for Shibutani's.

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    Not really sure how I feel about I/K's FD, but I agree that they are very "polished", "mature" for a junior team. Very lovely to watch. Like the Shibutanis as well, but fear that their tango FD may do them in. They got the technique down, but the height disparity alone probably hampers their presentation marks. Not entirely fair, but dance is always ruled by aesthetics as well. I don't know, is there hope that she could have a growth spurt sometime soon? They are such great skaters, but being a brother/sister team AND looking like they belong in pairs could really cause them problems once they move into Seniors, I fear.

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    i think this performance is best junior compulsory dance under the ISU Judging System. their technical point highest tecnical mark (20.24) and Program Components (17.28) below than MATTHEWS / ZAVOZIN (2005 world junior - 20.56) Skating Skills I&K=6.85, M&Z=6.89 but Timing, Performance, Interpretation mark higher for I&K. i don't understand why Program Component Score like this?

    sorry for my english

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    Here are some photographs from yesterday's practice.

    http://photography.ice-dance.com/201...actice/Monday/

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    Quote Originally Posted by katha View Post
    Not really sure how I feel about I/K's FD, but I agree that they are very "polished", "mature" for a junior team. Very lovely to watch. Like the Shibutanis as well, but fear that their tango FD may do them in. They got the technique down, but the height disparity alone probably hampers their presentation marks. Not entirely fair, but dance is always ruled by aesthetics as well. I don't know, is there hope that she could have a growth spurt sometime soon? They are such great skaters, but being a brother/sister team AND looking like they belong in pairs could really cause them problems once they move into Seniors, I fear.
    It's not about aesthetics. The Shibutanis' don't have the skating skills of the other two Russian teams, not only I/K but Monko & partner. Just watched the JGPF again and would have both Russian teams (including I/K) definitely ahead of Shibutani/Shibutani due to basic skating alone. Igor Shpilband IMO is best at providing COP footwork and levels but his students in the past have generally lacked in skating skills IMO, nothing new. (maybe not as bad as Naomi Lang but they can definitely go to Zhulin or whoever who can polish up their basics, turning the edge using the whole blade not just the toe part...)

    Also I'm not a fan of the Tango or the OD. OD is great. but they need to work on the expression, emotion part of skating, not just let's go and get this job done, complete all the footwork and get it done with.

    the execution of elements by Shibutani/Shibutani (like many of Igor Shpilband's generic teams) is quite good however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissIzzy View Post
    Full results:

    1 Elena ILINYKH / Nikita KATSALAPOV RUS 37.52 20.24 17.28 6.85 6.75 7.10 7.05 0.00 #28
    2 Maia SHIBUTANI / Alex SHIBUTANI USA 34.27 18.48 15.79 6.35 6.20 6.40 6.35 0.00 #33
    3 Ekaterina PUSHKASH / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS 34.20 18.38 15.82 6.30 6.15 6.40 6.55 0.00 #34
    4 Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN RUS 34.17 18.04 16.13 6.50 6.20 6.60 6.60 0.00 #27
    5 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 33.32 18.24 15.08 6.05 5.90 6.15 6.05 0.00 #20
    6 Lorenza ALESSANDRINI / Simone VATURI ITA 32.35 17.28 15.07 5.95 5.90 6.20 6.15 0.00 #31
    7 Rachel TIBBETTS / Collin BRUBAKER USA 31.89 17.16 14.73 6.00 5.70 5.90 6.00 0.00 #26
    8 Anastasia GALYETA / Alexei SHUMSKI UKR 29.14 16.26 12.88 5.20 5.00 5.20 5.25 0.00 #8
    9 Stefanie FROHBERG / Tim GIESEN GER 28.56 15.84 12.72 5.15 4.95 5.20 5.10 0.00 #25
    10 Charlotte AIKEN / Josh WHIDBORNE GBR 28.29 16.12 12.17 4.90 4.75 4.90 4.95 0.00 #6
    11 Piper GILLES / Zachary DONOHUE USA 27.83 15.40 12.43 5.05 4.75 5.10 5.05 0.00 #29
    12 Geraldine BOTT / Neil BROWN FRA 27.78 15.64 12.14 4.85 4.60 5.00 5.10 0.00 #10
    13 Olivia Nicole MARTINS / Alvin CHAU CAN 27.68 15.18 12.50 4.95 4.85 5.10 5.20 0.00 #22
    14 Oksana KLIMOVA / Sasha PALOMAKI FIN 27.67 15.94 11.73 4.60 4.60 4.75 4.90 0.00 #32
    15 Gabriela KUBOVA / Dmitri KISELEV CZE 27.38 16.06 11.32 4.50 4.25 4.70 4.80 0.00 #15
    16 Dora TUROCZI / Balazs MAJOR HUN 27.20 15.50 11.70 4.75 4.50 4.75 4.75 0.00 #30
    17 Sara HURTADO / Adria DIAZ ESP 27.04 15.64 11.40 4.55 4.45 4.60 4.70 0.00 #19
    18 Justyna PLUTOWSKA / Dawid PIETRZYNSKI POL 25.76 15.20 10.56 4.30 4.00 4.25 4.40 0.00 #17
    19 Maria POPKOVA / Viktor KOVALENKO UZB 25.74 14.92 10.82 4.40 4.15 4.45 4.35 0.00 #18
    20 Katelyn GOOD / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN 25.29 14.60 10.69 4.45 4.00 4.40 4.30 0.00 #16
    21 Nikola VISNOVA / Lukas CSOLLEY SVK 25.26 14.46 10.80 4.45 4.10 4.40 4.35 0.00 #24
    22 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 25.24 14.50 10.74 4.40 4.10 4.35 4.35 0.00 #23
    23 Abby CARSWELL / Andrew DOLEMAN CAN 24.56 14.14 10.42 4.35 3.90 4.20 4.25 0.00 #4
    24 Sonja PAULI / Tobias EISENBAUER AUT 24.48 14.64 9.84 3.95 3.80 4.05 4.00 0.00 #9
    25 Karolina PROCHAZKOVA / Michal CESKA CZE 24.22 14.18 10.04 4.10 3.90 3.95 4.10 0.00 #21
    26 Yiyi ZHANG / Nan WU CHN 24.03 14.16 9.87 4.00 3.75 4.05 4.05 0.00 #1
    27 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 23.79 14.12 9.67 3.95 3.70 3.95 3.90 0.00 #3
    28 Gabriella PAPADAKIS / Guillaume CIZERON FRA 23.61 14.08 9.53 3.80 3.60 4.00 3.95 0.00 #2
    29 Lesia VALADZENKAVA / Vitali VAKUNOV BLR 22.22 13.52 8.70 3.50 3.25 3.55 3.70 0.00 #5
    30 Ioana Harmony RISCA / Chase Andrews BROGAN ROU 22.17 13.40 8.77 3.60 3.25 3.70 3.55 0.00 #14
    31 Sofia SFORZA / Francesco FIORETTI ITA 22.00 13.22 8.78 3.65 3.25 3.60 3.60 0.00 #13
    32 Kristina TREMASOVA / Dimitar LICHEV BUL 21.28 13.22 8.06 3.20 3.10 3.30 3.35 0.00 #11
    33 Ksenia PECHERKINA / Aleksander JAKUSHIN LAT 20.72 12.54 8.18 3.35 3.05 3.40 3.35 0.00 #7
    34 Ayesha YIGIT / Shane SPEDEN NZL 17.74 11.24 6.50 2.70 2.25 2.80 2.75 0.00 #12

    I think I&K have got this thing, unless they fall down, or the judges run screaming from their free dance.:sheesh:
    WAIT. Where's Polina Shelepen???

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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    Pictures CD

    Here´s the link to the pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piano18 View Post
    It's not about aesthetics. The Shibutanis' don't have the skating skills of the other two Russian teams, not only I/K but Monko & partner. Just watched the JGPF again and would have both Russian teams (including I/K) definitely ahead of Shibutani/Shibutani due to basic skating alone. Igor Shpilband IMO is best at providing COP footwork and levels but his students in the past have generally lacked in skating skills IMO, nothing new. (maybe not as bad as Naomi Lang but they can definitely go to Zhulin or whoever who can polish up their basics, turning the edge using the whole blade not just the toe part...)
    See, I'm not sure that Shpilband teams really lack skating skills so much as that they sometimes have a tendency to not finish their movements. IMO he seems to value high energy, high risk teams like D/W above anything else. His female skaters seem to stagnate sometimes, though, I agree. But IMO Lang didn't get any better with either Zhulin or Morozov, so I don't know if it's really the coaches in that scenario. As for choreography, yeah they do sometimes like their music recycling over there, don't they. OTOH there is the occasional gem. So Shpilband/Zueva are basically like every other much sought after choreographer. I mean, look at the generic dreck Zhulin produced for N/K...can't believe they became Olympic champions with that.

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    You can watch the top 3 here
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