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RumbleFish

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Ladies single event is turning out to be a hell of a battle.
Yuna Kim vs. team of Myriam LORIOL-OBERWILER, Zuzana ZACKOVA and Junko Hiramatsu
LOL
 

magicalwords

On the Ice
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Nov 1, 2008
I believe some of the complaints about with her 3-3 DG at GPF was not only because of the fact that it was DG but also because of the fact that other ladies' jumps were ratified when some of them were even less rotated than Kim's 3T.

And I doubt techs would make such ridiculous DG calls again since this IS the Olympics; another scandal, figure skating might be gone forever from the Olympics. Media has already noticed this issue and it won't be so pretty if such thing happens again.
 

EyesOfLove

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Dec 5, 2009
I didn't think it was underrotated, but when I refreshed my memory by rewatching the SP, and went through it frame by frame, it was clear she touched down with her skate while she was mostly forward, and clearly more than 90° short of full rotation. This is not how she normally lands the jump, and should she regain her form at the Olympics, I hope she is judged fairly.

I see you're talking about "forward" based on the moment her toe pick hit the ice , but it's actually the rotation of the BLADE that is counted underrotation, and there are clearly PLENTY of other cases like that execution ratified as a full triple. Kim rotated a BEAUTIFUL triple toe loop that was underrotated by less than a quarter turn on the ice.

I hope Kim won't get too nervous at the presence of the woman. She better bring her perfect without a doubt in order to avoid misjudgement.
 

Ximena

Final Flight
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I don't know what the implications would be in the fact that Sissy Krick was one of the team who created the ISU seminar videos that has been on the news lately regarding Plushenko appearance in it.
 

DesertRoad

Final Flight
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I see you're talking about "forward" based on the moment her toe pick hit the ice , but it's actually the rotation of the BLADE that is counted underrotation, and there are clearly PLENTY of other cases like that execution ratified as a full triple. Kim rotated a BEAUTIFUL triple toe loop that was underrotated by less than a quarter turn on the ice.

I hope Kim won't get too nervous at the presence of the woman. She better bring her perfect without a doubt in order to avoid misjudgement.

If that's what count as an underrotation, and I would have no problem with that, then there have been countless misscalled URs that affected many rankings. This is a horribly flawed part of the system and it's awful that it's not fixed before these life-changing games. I hope the tech specialists err on the side of the skater's intention, since a downgrade is so costly in points.
 

Hsuhs

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I see you're talking about "forward" based on the moment her toe pick hit the ice , but it's actually the rotation of the BLADE that is counted underrotation

In order to be considered fully rotated, a jump must achieve at least three-quarters of the final rotation – so a triple would need to rotate at least 2.75 times in the air prior to any part of the blade hitting the ice for the landing.

http://www.usfigureskating.org/Content/UNDERSTANDING THE IJS.pdf

Toe pick is a part of the blade.
 

EyesOfLove

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I appreciate your quote for infos, but isn't that just an abstract/theoretical rule of achieving rotation? From what I grasp from the actual judgements in real competitions, what I meant was that practically speaking, the rotation on the ice coming from the landing does not start from when the skaters' toe strokes :p the ice around about few degrees -the center of his/her weight is still in the air- rather it's when the ENTIRE part of blade hits the ice where the actual rotation in the air finishes then draws curve mark on the ice. A lot of skaters rotate triples this way and usually get ratified unless their full blades rotate more than 90 degrees on the ice. At least that's how I see it.
 

Hsuhs

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Well, I hope the tech panel will be very abstract/theoretical on every lady this time, including Kim.
 

HCOSurfer

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I see you're talking about "forward" based on the moment her toe pick hit the ice , but it's actually the rotation of the BLADE that is counted underrotation.

Further proof that numerous Kim fans know nothing about figure skating.
 

gourry

Final Flight
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Nov 7, 2007
This is ridiculous! SHE again?! Is she like the only tech panel they have??:sheesh:
And Yuna's 3-3 from GPF was not underrotated. If you don't remember what it was like, maybe that NYT video analysis will refresh your memory. They slow replay it many many times there. She didn't land forward. Why are some people saying that?
Anyway, what's done is done I guess. I just wish Yuna to show what she is capable of at the Olympics.:) GO! Yuna!
 

EyesOfLove

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Well, I hope the tech panel will be very abstract/theoretical on every lady this time, including Kim.
In order to be considered fully rotated, a jump must achieve at least three-quarters of the final rotation – so a triple would need to rotate at least 2.75 times in the air prior to any part of the blade hitting the ice for the landing.

Well, I see a lot of beautiful triple jumps being downgraded if the tech panels stick to the abstract/ theoretical rule, but at least that's better than being partial, so.
 

MNP-30

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Dec 4, 2009
The biggest issue

The biggest issue here is to not repeat the controversy again in the world of figure skating, since this can jeopardize the sport to be in an Olympic game. This may sound ridiculous, but already some people are not happy about the assignment, causing people to believe the existence of controversy. As long as the judges abide to the rules, I don't think there will be a big problem.

As to quiet down some discussion on Yuna's under-rotation call, Scott Hamilton, possibly one of the better people to call under-rotation, said that he would not call it an under-rotation when reviewing her replay of 3Lz-3T in slow motion. The bigger issue is the major discrepancy of ALL the judges and technical specialist on this specific call. The positive GOE's on the jump should not exist when the jump is under-rotated. As far as I know, this discrepancy did not happen often and possibly one of the rare one. This can bring some issues to the table, and this is why we are talking about it still.
 

EyesOfLove

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Further proof that numerous Kim fans know nothing about figure skating.

.. I stated my point based on my interpretation on many UR calls and stand by it. In essence I have every right to voice how I feel within my logic and there's no way you can say I know nothing about figure skating because of that. Besides, why are you alreay jumping to the conclusion that I'm a Yuna fan?
 
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gourry

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Nov 7, 2007
The positive GOE's on the jump should not exist when the jump is under-rotated.

Not really. If the judges think other aspects of the jumps were great, they can give +GOE even for underrotated jumps. But that can't be that good because it's like -1 ~ -2 GOE for underrotation. Most of the cases the total GOE ends up near 0 or +0.XX GOE at best.
The problem of this case is that Yuna's so called underrotated 3-3 got +1.6 GOE. It means even though it was underrotated (hence -1 ~ -2 GOE) other aspects were so~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ great it deserved more than +3 GOE for others, thus +1.6 in total. OR, it's simply NO JUDGES felt any underrotation or whatsoever. The latter makes more sense to me.
(Although some crazy anti-Yuna fans will say there is third possible explanation: that Yuna bribed the judges. LOL Come on, bribe all nine judges? Why not just bribe three tech controllers? It's way easier, cheaper and more effective.)
 
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