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Top Ladies LP math/element analysis & comparisons to their "Yu-Na beating" LPs
Highest Breakdown of LP technical elements:
Mao Asada, Yu-Na Kim, Miki Ando, Rachael Flatt, Akiko Suzuki, Joannie Rochette, Carolina Kostner, Mirai Nagasu
(assuming all jumps are landed, no <. !. or e... and highest level achieved on the spins, spiral, and step sequences so far in competition on both national and *mostly* international level)
Mao Asada
3A 8.20
3A+2T 9.50
3F+2Lo 7.00
FSSp4 3.00
SpSq4 3.40
3LO 5.50x
3F+2Lo+2Lo 9.35x
3T 4.40x
2A 3.85x
FCoSp4 3.00
SlSt3 3.30
CCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 64.00
The last Mao Asada Program to beat Yu-Na Kim also contained two 3A's and is quite similar to her Olympic program...the only changes are swapping the 3S for a 3Lo (gaining .55), and switching the places of the 3F sequences (and adding a 2Lo to the solo 3F. In every other way, the program elements are identical.
3A+2T 9.50
3A 8.20
3F+2Lo+2Lo 8.50
FSSp4 3.00
SpSq4 3.40
3S 4.95x
3F 6.05x
3T 4.40x
2A 3.85x
FCoSp4 3.00
SlSt3 3.30
CCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 61.65
Yu-Na Kim
-highest SP score during GP season
3Lz+3T 10.00
3F 5.50
2A+2T+2Lo 6.30
FCoSp4 3.00
SpSq4 3.40
2A+3T 8.25x
3S 4.95x
3Lz 6.60x
SlSt3 3.30
2A 3.85x
FSSp3 2.60
CCoSp3 3.00
TOTAL: 60.75
Miki Ando
-3rd highest SP during GP season (66.20 at GPF)
3Lz+2Lo 7.50 OR 3Lz+3Lo 11.0
3S+2A*SEQ 6.40 OR 2A+3T 7.50 OR 2A+2T 4.80
CCoSp4 3.50
3Lo 5.00
SpSq4 3.40
3S 4.95x
3Lz 6.60x
FSSp4 3.00
3T+2Lo+2Lo 7.70x
2A 3.85x
SlSt3 3.30
FCoSp4 3.00
TOTAL: 58.2 (w/ 3S+2A*SEQ), 59.3 (w/ 2A+3T), 56.6 (w/ 2A+2T)
with 3Lz+3Lo 61.7 (w/ 3S+2A*SEQ), 62.8 (w/ 2A+3T), 60.1 (w/ 2A+2T)
Last Program Miki beat Yu-Na with (2007 Worlds.. modified to reflect loss of one element and change in value of 2A,SlSt3)
3Lz+3Lo 11.0
3S 4.50
3F 5.50
FSSp2 2.00
SpSq4 3.40
3Lz 6.60x
3T+2Lo+2Lo 7.70x
3F+2Lo 7.70x
2A 3.85x
CoSp4 3.00
SlSt3 3.30
CCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 62.05
Rachael Flatt
(last LP to top Yu-Na was at this season's Skate America, so the program her best possible program for this year will equal her best possible program winning in competition against Yu-Na)
2A 3.50
3F+3T 9.50
3Lz 6.00
FCSp4 3.20
CCSp4 3.20
3Lo 5.50x
3Lz+2T 8.03x
SpSq2 2.30
3F+2T+2Lo 9.13x
3S 4.95x
CiSt3 3.30
CCoSp3 3.00
TOTAL: 61.61
Akiko Suzuki
3Lz+2T+2Lo 8.30
3T+2A*SEQ 6.00
3Lo 5.00
CCoSp4 3.50
SpSq4 3.40
3F 6.05x
3Lz 6.60x
3Lo+2A*SEQ 7.48x
3S 4.95x
FCSp4 3.20
SlSt3 3.30
FCCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 61.28
Carolina Kostner
(did place before Yu-Na at 2008 Worlds, but only because of Yu-Na's 5th place finish in the SP, her 1st place LP took her to ronze. GP SP best of 61.12 at CoC)
3F+3T 9.50
3Lz 6.00
2A+2T 4.80
FCoSp3 2.50
SpSq4 3.40
3F 6.05X
3Lo 5.50X
2A 3.85X
3S+2T 6.38X
FSSp4 3.00
SlSt3 3.30
CCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 57.78
Joannie Rochette
(topped Yu-Na's LP during 2009 4CC's)
-2nd highest SP score during GP (70.00 at Skate Canada)
3Lz+2T+2Lo 8.80
3F 5.50
3Lo 5.00
FCSSp4 3.00
SpSq3 3.10
3Lz 6.60x
3T+3S*SEQ 7.48x
2A+2T 5.28x
CCoSp4 3.50
3S 4.95x
CiSt3 3.30
FSSp4 3.00
TOTAL: 59.51
Mirai Nagasu
-4th highest SP score during GP season (62.20 at CoC)
3Lz+2T+2Lo 8.80
2A+3T 7.50
3F 5.50
FSSp4 3.00
LSp4 2.70
SpSq4 3.40
3Lz 6.60x
3Lo+2A*SEQ 7.48x
2A 3.85x
3T 4.40x
SlSt3 3.30
CCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 60.03
For me, the most interesting thing to come of this was seeing that the LP Mao is using this season is nearly identical to the last program she was able to beat Yu-Na with... the only difference in the technical elements are slight tweaking to add a bit more to the base score. It makes me wonder if this was done on purpose...
All of the top contenders, skating a clean program, are fairly close in their technical elements... even with two 3A's, Mao has now definitely lost that one fall buffer she used to have over the rest of the skaters on the technical front. Even so, her LP seems to clearly put pressure on Yu-Na for her SP. This is essentially the last program that Yu-Na has lost to in her competitive history, and unless she seals the deal on the SP, history could repeat itself.
Highest Breakdown of LP technical elements:
Mao Asada, Yu-Na Kim, Miki Ando, Rachael Flatt, Akiko Suzuki, Joannie Rochette, Carolina Kostner, Mirai Nagasu
(assuming all jumps are landed, no <. !. or e... and highest level achieved on the spins, spiral, and step sequences so far in competition on both national and *mostly* international level)
Mao Asada
3A 8.20
3A+2T 9.50
3F+2Lo 7.00
FSSp4 3.00
SpSq4 3.40
3LO 5.50x
3F+2Lo+2Lo 9.35x
3T 4.40x
2A 3.85x
FCoSp4 3.00
SlSt3 3.30
CCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 64.00
The last Mao Asada Program to beat Yu-Na Kim also contained two 3A's and is quite similar to her Olympic program...the only changes are swapping the 3S for a 3Lo (gaining .55), and switching the places of the 3F sequences (and adding a 2Lo to the solo 3F. In every other way, the program elements are identical.
3A+2T 9.50
3A 8.20
3F+2Lo+2Lo 8.50
FSSp4 3.00
SpSq4 3.40
3S 4.95x
3F 6.05x
3T 4.40x
2A 3.85x
FCoSp4 3.00
SlSt3 3.30
CCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 61.65
Yu-Na Kim
-highest SP score during GP season
3Lz+3T 10.00
3F 5.50
2A+2T+2Lo 6.30
FCoSp4 3.00
SpSq4 3.40
2A+3T 8.25x
3S 4.95x
3Lz 6.60x
SlSt3 3.30
2A 3.85x
FSSp3 2.60
CCoSp3 3.00
TOTAL: 60.75
Miki Ando
-3rd highest SP during GP season (66.20 at GPF)
3Lz+2Lo 7.50 OR 3Lz+3Lo 11.0
3S+2A*SEQ 6.40 OR 2A+3T 7.50 OR 2A+2T 4.80
CCoSp4 3.50
3Lo 5.00
SpSq4 3.40
3S 4.95x
3Lz 6.60x
FSSp4 3.00
3T+2Lo+2Lo 7.70x
2A 3.85x
SlSt3 3.30
FCoSp4 3.00
TOTAL: 58.2 (w/ 3S+2A*SEQ), 59.3 (w/ 2A+3T), 56.6 (w/ 2A+2T)
with 3Lz+3Lo 61.7 (w/ 3S+2A*SEQ), 62.8 (w/ 2A+3T), 60.1 (w/ 2A+2T)
Last Program Miki beat Yu-Na with (2007 Worlds.. modified to reflect loss of one element and change in value of 2A,SlSt3)
3Lz+3Lo 11.0
3S 4.50
3F 5.50
FSSp2 2.00
SpSq4 3.40
3Lz 6.60x
3T+2Lo+2Lo 7.70x
3F+2Lo 7.70x
2A 3.85x
CoSp4 3.00
SlSt3 3.30
CCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 62.05
Rachael Flatt
(last LP to top Yu-Na was at this season's Skate America, so the program her best possible program for this year will equal her best possible program winning in competition against Yu-Na)
2A 3.50
3F+3T 9.50
3Lz 6.00
FCSp4 3.20
CCSp4 3.20
3Lo 5.50x
3Lz+2T 8.03x
SpSq2 2.30
3F+2T+2Lo 9.13x
3S 4.95x
CiSt3 3.30
CCoSp3 3.00
TOTAL: 61.61
Akiko Suzuki
3Lz+2T+2Lo 8.30
3T+2A*SEQ 6.00
3Lo 5.00
CCoSp4 3.50
SpSq4 3.40
3F 6.05x
3Lz 6.60x
3Lo+2A*SEQ 7.48x
3S 4.95x
FCSp4 3.20
SlSt3 3.30
FCCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 61.28
Carolina Kostner
(did place before Yu-Na at 2008 Worlds, but only because of Yu-Na's 5th place finish in the SP, her 1st place LP took her to ronze. GP SP best of 61.12 at CoC)
3F+3T 9.50
3Lz 6.00
2A+2T 4.80
FCoSp3 2.50
SpSq4 3.40
3F 6.05X
3Lo 5.50X
2A 3.85X
3S+2T 6.38X
FSSp4 3.00
SlSt3 3.30
CCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 57.78
Joannie Rochette
(topped Yu-Na's LP during 2009 4CC's)
-2nd highest SP score during GP (70.00 at Skate Canada)
3Lz+2T+2Lo 8.80
3F 5.50
3Lo 5.00
FCSSp4 3.00
SpSq3 3.10
3Lz 6.60x
3T+3S*SEQ 7.48x
2A+2T 5.28x
CCoSp4 3.50
3S 4.95x
CiSt3 3.30
FSSp4 3.00
TOTAL: 59.51
Mirai Nagasu
-4th highest SP score during GP season (62.20 at CoC)
3Lz+2T+2Lo 8.80
2A+3T 7.50
3F 5.50
FSSp4 3.00
LSp4 2.70
SpSq4 3.40
3Lz 6.60x
3Lo+2A*SEQ 7.48x
2A 3.85x
3T 4.40x
SlSt3 3.30
CCoSp4 3.50
TOTAL: 60.03
For me, the most interesting thing to come of this was seeing that the LP Mao is using this season is nearly identical to the last program she was able to beat Yu-Na with... the only difference in the technical elements are slight tweaking to add a bit more to the base score. It makes me wonder if this was done on purpose...
All of the top contenders, skating a clean program, are fairly close in their technical elements... even with two 3A's, Mao has now definitely lost that one fall buffer she used to have over the rest of the skaters on the technical front. Even so, her LP seems to clearly put pressure on Yu-Na for her SP. This is essentially the last program that Yu-Na has lost to in her competitive history, and unless she seals the deal on the SP, history could repeat itself.