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    Quote Originally Posted by Raatkirani View Post
    Does anyone have to a link to where Plushenko said he was beaten by a woman when referring to Lysacek? I could have sworn I read it somewhere...
    I think the quote was actually from Tim Goebel back in 2002.
    He called both Yags and Plush a couple of women because they were afraid to match his three quads. Goebel went on to say that by only doing two quads Yags and Plush were taking skating back to the 90's.

    Goebel, showing poor sportsmanship then proclaimed three quads was the future of Men's skating and that 4 quads would be done by the 2010 Olympics.

    With his one quad program in 2010 Plushy once again succeeded in taking skating back to the 90's.
    However it could be argued that Plushy's wimpy spins and simple footwork really took skating back to the 80's.
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    Plushenko should take some lessons in how to be a gracious silver medalist from Michelle Kwan, circa 1998. Before this competition started, I wasn't a particular fan or a non-fan. But with this sour grapes attitude and completely unsportsmanlike bitterness, I am now an official Hater. I hope I never have to see him again in a competition. Yuck. Ugly One, begone--I don't care how many quads you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadine View Post
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    Thanks for sharing your impressions, Nadine! I love reading them. :-D Btw, are you going to watch the ladies live, too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    Plushenko should take some lessons in how to be a gracious silver medalist from Michelle Kwan, circa 1998. Before this competition started, I wasn't a particular fan or a non-fan. But with this sour grapes attitude and completely unsportsmanlike bitterness, I am now an official Hater. I hope I never have to see him again in a competition. Yuck. Ugly One, begone--I don't care how many quads you have.
    Actually he could take lessons from Evan. I was pleasantly surprised at Evan's graciousness in his late night interview with Bob Costas last night. Bob kept trying to goad him into saying something snarky about Plushy but he wouldn't do it. I've never been a big Evan fan..thought he was arrogant but I may have to change my stance on that. He was humble and complimentary to Plushy. Said he had always been a role model to him.

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    Hello everyone.
    This is my first post. I usually just enjoy reading your comments, but I can not help mentioning what I saw or heard while I was watching Men's LP live on TV.
    After he confirmed his score in K&C, Kozuka said " Denis, Ganbare ( means Go Denis ) ".
    I thought it's really cute and nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justafan View Post
    Actually he could take lessons from Evan. I was pleasantly surprised at Evan's graciousness in his late night interview with Bob Costas last night. Bob kept trying to goad him into saying something snarky about Plushy but he wouldn't do it. I've never been a big Evan fan..thought he was arrogant but I may have to change my stance on that. He was humble and complimentary to Plushy. Said he had always been a role model to him.
    I feel the same way you do. I'm lukewarm about Evan's skating, especially in comparison to Takahashi, who's both technical and elegant (alas for that quad!), but when I watched that interview last night, I was awed by his calm graciousness and his verbal dexterity as well. His comments were so articulate, diplomatic, and mature. That's not easy to do: even people used to the spotlight can say the most boneheaded things in the heat of an emotion-laden moment--and we've all seen it happen with politicians and other people that we're sure should have known better. This guy could give them lessons.

    I realize after this week how tough it is to be a skating fan. Skiing fans can curse the snow gods if their fave doesn't win. But skating is a judged sport, and there are all sorts of opportunities to blame nationalism, fixing, and things you used to hear of only in a movie about corrupt boxing practices that ended with Brando or Sylvester Stallone lying on the mat with blood trickling from his mouth.

    I suppose I should turn away and devote myself to curling, but they don't glide quite the right way for me. So skating it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    I think the quote was actually from Tim Goebel back in 2002....


    Quote Originally Posted by Sally250
    Hello everyone.

    This is my first post. I usually just enjoy reading your comments, but I can not help mentioning what I saw or heard while I was watching Men's LP live on TV.

    After he confirmed his score in K&C, Kozuka said " Denis, Ganbare ( means Go Denis ) ".

    I thought it's really cute and nice.
    Thanks for joining us, Sally. Welcome to Golden Skate! Post often, post long.

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    Thanks to the members who posted photos and the articles about Dai. I would love to see more. Dai is like the forgotten one in this thread which is a shame because his accomplishments this season is a testament to his determination and his love of the sport. One of the commentators reported that this would be Dai's final Olympics. Any news on what his plans are? I would hate to see him retire.

    Thanks Nadine for your great report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sally2505 View Post
    Hello everyone.
    This is my first post. I usually just enjoy reading your comments, but I can not help mentioning what I saw or heard while I was watching Men's LP live on TV.
    After he confirmed his score in K&C, Kozuka said " Denis, Ganbare ( means Go Denis ) ".
    I thought it's really cute and nice.
    After reading your post, I watched the clip again. Yes, he said "Denis, Ganbare"! I have not noticed it. I love his personality. Thank you for your post!

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    jumps scores went something like this evgeny 63.77
    evan 63.47
    johnny 61.
    nobunari 59

    daisuke
    stephane

    evgeny didn't lose it on jumps he -lost it on spins/spirals you know email what to watch out for
    stephan 22.60
    patrick 22.10
    evan 21.10
    daisuke 19.90
    evgeny 18.94
    jeremy 18.50
    nobunari 18.30
    johnny 17.98
    this was spin and spiral sequence , i only did top ten in free skate

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    ^ Very interesting statistics.

    So this is where I blame Plushenko's coaches/choreographers. Knowing that Plushenko was behind the other conteders in spins and step sequences, they needed to increase the difficulty and quality of his jumps to compensate. By having a lead of only a fraction of a point over Lysacek in jumps, Plushenko's team put him behind the eight ball.

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    Ah..i watched some of competition again on tv last night, I skipped some performances but overall

    Kozuka is my new fav, it was the best skate of the night for me. He is aetherial even when he falls. I ll try not to invest emotionally in any skater again and it was mostly what I did with the ones I grew up with and most were from 6.0 era, so now all are retiring so now I grew up and if I see fs men again which I m not sure when that will be (sorry I try but still a little sad) it will be with a new mindset not caring about results , at least I ll try to watch Worlds that way.

    I dont like what Plush speaks now but he has same age as me so maybe I would do the same, it now shows he is not as confident or villain as it looks, he has too many experiences packed in not so old age, he just takes out his frustration in wrong way. I take his comments as fever after losing, he will grow up and be happy about it eventually. Judges pampered him with higher marks all year long and he has not learnt to lose that often and unfortnately so have his fans.

    Stephan was not in his usual self, nevertheless a great program, I wish he had brought the arena now.

    It showed me that even oldies in Olys with experience and all are human and have a heart that beats, Evgeni Stephane and Brian all looked extremely nervous to me, more than Europeans, so I guess Oly fever got them.

    Plush didnt sell his program as in Europeans, I dont think it would made a difference anyway. He was more relaxed at least comparing to 2006. Too tight though and it has been long since I saw him off axis so much. About the forgotten loop, now I saw again, in the first combo he was with no flow out after 3t so he wouldnt do it, same after 3lutz-2toe, only place where he would have added it and I dont know why he didnt is after the axel combo. Dont blame him that he thought he won right after, Eurosport and greek tv commentators thought the same. It was too close and I m puzzled for Mishin still and his plan. And he should have gone for a second quad in any case.

    I had many ifs last day about medals, like if he had done the 2loop, or a 2nd quad, if Evans 2nd axel was penalized, if Plush had more margin after sp and / or better music, if Weir was marked better, If Stephane had half point more he would be on podium. I think Plush lost it from short program anyway. But biggest if is the If Takahashi had landed the quad he would have beaten both deservily so, so I abandonned ifs.

    More enjoyble programs for me that I would rewatch Amodio, Schultheiss, Kozuka, Weir, Borodulin, Javier, Ten, Chan, Abott, Stephane and Takahashi - and probably Evgeni's with a grain of salt this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demarinis5 View Post
    Thanks to the members who posted photos and the articles about Dai. I would love to see more. Dai is like the forgotten one in this thread which is a shame because his accomplishments this season is a testament to his determination and his love of the sport. One of the commentators reported that this would be Dai's final Olympics. Any news on what his plans are? I would hate to see him retire.

    Thanks Nadine for your great report.
    he will continue to skate at least untill the 2011 worlds in tokyo. he said he wanted to be a champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yangjie View Post
    he will continue to skate at least untill the 2011 worlds in tokyo. he said he wanted to be a champion.
    Thank you that is good news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BravesSkateFan View Post
    Evan has plenty of artistry. Its just not the same as Johnny's artistry. In the visual arts You have impressionism and you have op-art, you have surrealism and abstract art. In danc there is ballet, crunk, hip-hop and interperative. While you may not enjoy one particular style it doesn't make it any less artistic.
    I liked his SP and the last minute of the LP. They matched his style. But during the first three minutes of LP, I didn't feel that he owned that program. I didn't feel that the music matched his style or that he really expressed that music. Perhaps I would have had a different impression if Evan had chosen a different piece of music that went better with his style. I wanted to see a program that is really memorable from the Olympic Champion. I am okay with skaters without versatility and I would enjoy it when they skate to programs that make their on-ice personality shine the best. Scheherazade is one of the most overused pieces of music in skating. I've seen a lot of expressive performances skated by others. If you go for the most generic orchestra version, you want to be expressive. If you want to turn it into something unique, it also would be interesting. But I am afraid that I saw neither much expressiveness nor uniqueness in the first three minutes of his LP performance.

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