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    based on sit spin position alone, Plushenko should be kept of the podium :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by icebeauty View Post
    based on sit spin position alone, Plushenko should be kept of the podium :P
    Hey, give Plushy some credit. He worked really hard to improve his spins. They used to be even worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Hey, give Plushy some credit. He worked really hard to improve his spins. They used to be even worse
    Plushenko always had great extension on his camel spins, and he used to perform the rare donut/catch-foot and biellmann spins before going the masculine route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spun Silver View Post
    Didn't you find ilemi.com? They had the whole thing. Last night it was the first Olympic link.
    That got shut down during the final flight :(

    Couldn't watch Evan Lysacek :(

    Wish replay was somewhere....

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    Sorry, posted my thoughts on my trip to the men's SP in the wrong thread. I've moved it to the SP thread.
    Last edited by rain; 02-17-2010 at 11:25 PM. Reason: wrong thread

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    My dream would be for Takahashi to be at the top of the podium tomorrow night. I love his skating expressiveness. I of course love his footwork sequences. I also can't help but love his cute smile.

    I hope that he skates a clean program. Yes, I know based upon past experience that it's probably not likely. But this is the Olympics and anything can happen. Perhaps DT has a Paul Wylie moment and skates the program of his life. That would be sweet!!

    I know a lot of people (Brian Boitano on the Terry Gannon show included) think that it's a mistake for Daisuke to try the quad but I think I understand his strategy. He performs both his triple axle/triple axel combo before the halfway mark and does no triple/triple combos. I guess he has stamina issues and can't perform all of those jumps in the last half like he used to do before his injury. I think if he performs the quad, it will give DT a little extra edge against Evan. Without it, if both DT and Evan skate clean, I guess the judges would place Evan higher than DT based on the judging last night. If DT wants to get a gold/silver, he will have to pull out all the stops and perform the quad. DT just needs to go for it. If he fails to do the quad, then he will always wonder what if.

    It's a risk, but then I also think that Evan not performing the quad is also a risk. Given that he's first in the skate order, he has no idea if his competitors that get good PCS scores will perform the quad and have a clean program. Evan has a cautious strategy that conventional wisdom might think is ok. He's assuming that the skaters below him that have great PCS scores won't have clean programs and the quad. But what if he's wrong? What if one of his competitors has the skate of his life including the quad? Did Frank Carroll give Evan this bad advice? I'm guessing so, based upon what happened to Michelle Kwan especially in 1998, when she skated very cautiously without the more difficult triple-triple combos that Tara L performed. Could this be deja vu all over again for one of Frank Carroll's students? I guess we'll have to find out which strategy is the best tomorrow--Evan's or Daisuke's.

    I admire the fact that Daisuke is planning to throw everything but the kitchen sink into his program tomorrow. I wish that he added more triple-triple combos to his programs and more jumps after the halfway mark, but the program is what it is. Too late to change it now. I also wish that he receives his season best on the marks tomorrow night. Skating clean+season best scores=happy ademption.

    I hope that all of the men, especially all of the men in the final flight, skate clean with a lot of passion. All things being equal, I think Daisuke would still have the edge over everybody with his quad and PCS scores and earn the gold. But whoever gets the gold tomorrow, I hope they earn it with a clean skate. Think Brian Boitano at Calgary. That would be the ultimate!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yangjie View Post
    why do so many people here criticize lambiel?

    i know he couldnt jump 3A, and he got little bit high PCS.
    but he have been leading the men's figure skate field for a couple of years.
    i think he was fairly judged and wll have the chance to get a medal.
    It's not that Lambiel is bad, it's that a lot of the other men were better (Oda, Chan, Weir, Kozuka, Brezina - all of them IMO) and scored lower. Stephane has good spins and footwork but he only did a 2a and his 4t-2t was very rough, none of his jumps had good flow, and he looked awkward during most of the performance IMO. The music and the costume did not help bring out the beautiful side of Lambiel either. There were moments of that program that were very nice, but overall, I don't think he deserved that score.

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    not happy about Evan's placement... he's not going to have a chance to really strategise... he won't know what the others pull out of their hat... *sigh*

    hopefully he skates lights out like in Torinos LP and is clean and polished... as long as he's on the podium I'm good...

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    I think plushy will still take the gold. Without a quad I don't think Evan has a great chance at the gold unless plushy screws up. Not to mention the other top men that will more than likely do the quad after Evan has already skated. They are so close in points it really can be anybody's game. I don't see Takahashi skating clean, so my money is on Oda. If Evan skates clean I think he'll walk away with the bronze, silver at best. I can see Lambiel screwing up leaving room for Johnny if he skates clean. If Johnny does skate clean with a quad I could easily see him in Bronze medal position if Takahashi fails to put out a great program (which I think could be very likely). Oda is very consistent which is why I believe he'll be on the podium but there's no way the judges will give it to him over plushy. And the pressure is all on Evan and if he's so well trained then he'll put out a clean program and hope that the others don't. Also I don't see Chan moving up any more than a spot or two unless Lambiel really screws up. I think the nerves are getting to chan and he didn't look very comfortable in the short. Johnny is in a very good spot right now, he knows he's not favored to win a medal and I honestly think he just wants to skate a program he can be proud of and that seemed to have taken alot of the pressure off. I'd also like to see Jeremy have the skate of his life and atleast move up into the top 8. I guess we will see but that's my two cents.

    Predicting podium
    Gold- Plushy
    Silver-Oda
    Bronze- Evan or Lambiel

    Dream podium
    Gold-Takahashi
    Silver- Johnny
    Bronze Lambiel

    * Here's to hoping Johnny has a Paul Wylie moment!

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    Final tweets of the night...

    Johnny: It was a great day. Ksenia has arrived to the village! Looking forward to the competition tomorrow. I just want to fly.
    Evan: Thanks to everyone for all your support. Practice felt good today. Trying to stay calm!!! Eating a delich steak... RARE. Protein baby!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARipp42014 View Post
    Evan: Thanks to everyone for all your support. Practice felt good today. Trying to stay calm!!! Eating a delich steak... RARE. Protein baby!
    OMG we're meant to be. Man after my own heart! a true carnivore!

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    It's not that Lambiel is bad, it's that a lot of the other men were better (Oda, Chan, Weir, Kozuka, Brezina - all of them IMO) and scored lower. Stephane has good spins and footwork but he only did a 2a and his 4t-2t was very rough, none of his jumps had good flow, and he looked awkward during most of the performance IMO. The music and the costume did not help bring out the beautiful side of Lambiel either. There were moments of that program that were very nice, but overall, I don't think he deserved that score.
    i see. but i think landing a quad are technically more diffucult than lading 3a, and chan &kozuka made some mistake too. so lambiel deserve that score.
    as for the weir and brezina, i agree with you. they were better than lambiel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ademption View Post

    It's a risk, but then I also think that Evan not performing the quad is also a risk. Given that he's first in the skate order, he has no idea if his competitors that get good PCS scores will perform the quad and have a clean program. Evan has a cautious strategy that conventional wisdom might think is ok. He's assuming that the skaters below him that have great PCS scores won't have clean programs and the quad. But what if he's wrong? What if one of his competitors has the skate of his life including the quad? Did Frank Carroll give Evan this bad advice? I'm guessing so, based upon what happened to Michelle Kwan especially in 1998, when she skated very cautiously without the more difficult triple-triple combos that Tara L performed. Could this be deja vu all over again for one of Frank Carroll's students? I guess we'll have to find out which strategy is the best tomorrow--Evan's or Daisuke's.
    It is a risk either way. I think was having trouble with the quad all year, or else we would have seen it sooner than Nationals. Who knows when was the last time he tried one, and he has not tried one since he arrived in Vancouver. Even if he was healthy and training them, his track record of landing them clean is not that great. Not having the quad did not hurt him in the SP. Plushy will do one, we all know that. But Evan is very capable of doing a 100% clean skate if he does not do the quad. I am behind Frank and Evan on this decision, but Evan keeps saying he wants to skate with no regrets. If he misses winning because of lack of quad I think he will spend years asking himself "what if?" In that repsect, I almost wish he would just go for it, even if that mean self-destruction.

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    it was noticed he injured his foot practicing the quad this past summer/fall during the coverage last night IIRC. (or was it early this morning during the chat with Paul Wylie and Kristi Yamaguchi? it's all a blur now)... so it doesn't surprise me he's gun shy. I wish he'd go for it... but I don't think they'd give him the same credit that Jeff Buttle got four years ago (yes I'm still bitter)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ademption View Post
    He performs both his triple axle/triple axel combo before the halfway mark and does no triple/triple combos. I guess he has stamina issues and can't perform all of those jumps in the last half like he used to do before his injury.
    His second 3A is moved to the second half of the program now.

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