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SC photo shoot pictures- from "V" Magazine

R.D.

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Red Dog - There are much better photos of SC than these. These look like she's ready to enter a kid's beauty pageant.

Hey don't shoot the messenger :eek: it's not like I took the pictures or anything, I just wanted to share them with the group! However I also realize I didn't give my own impressions...I forgot.
Frankly I agree with you that there are much better pictures of her. I actually don't care much for photo shoot pictures (of anyone) as they tend to be over-edited, etc. I can't say I like any of them (especially the ones with the straps :eek: ), a couple are ok but the rest, not too good.
 
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Now I feel old and square. First, what the heck is V magazine? Second, to me Sasha looks like a space cadet in these outfits.

Oops, my niece just told me that "space cadet" means someone is "spacey." I mean she looks futuristic. (Is that what you mean by Galaxina, Rgirl?)

Anyway, Sasha is a pretty girl, whatever she has on. About PR, why shouldn't she make hay while the sun shines?

Mathman
 
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Zanzibar

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Cohen's agent

QUOTE:

"Anyway, having just found out that Sasha's agent is Ari Zakarian a lot of the PR things Sasha has done now make sense. Zakarian is a young agent, clearly very ambitious, and at least the word on the street has always been that he certainly knows his way around New York night clubs, of which the higher echelons belong to models, celebrities, and artists. BTW Zakarian was a good friend of, or at least a party friend of, Oksana Baiul and the passenger in her car when she ran it off the road while DUI and hit a tree. Maybe Zakarian is trying to make Sasha's image very different from that of other figure skaters, or maybe he's just trying to get her as much PR as possible. I don't know. But for me, on the whole it's not working." (end quote)


NO, NO, NO!!!
I keep reading about Ari being Cohen's agent (due to an error in a Canadian newspaper over the weekend), and it's not true.
Ari rep's Plush. Ari works for CMM, which represents Cohen.
Ari has never, and is not currently, repping Cohen. Btw, Ari I believe is not a "young agent", relatively speaking - he's been around the biz a long time and is about 38.

Okay, had to get that straight - carry on.
:laugh:
 
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Red Dog - My remarks weren't addressed to you personally. I like Sasha too and see her as a pretty young lady. Those pics, for me, did not show her as a pretty young lady. In fact I didn't think of them as even being good candid shots which sometimes puts the model off guard. Just my taste, I guess. Do you know if Sasha liked them?

Joe
 

R.D.

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Well she does mention in her journal that she enjoyed the photo shoot but I don't see any mention of whether or not she likes the PHOTOS...I get the impression that she does, but I don't know.
 

IDLERACER

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RGirl:"If I wanted to get a sense of her sexuality in photos, I'd put her in a bathing suit in the California surf and have her splash around, just goofing off, with a male friend she felt comfortable with"

To see a couple of pictures of her frolicking in a bikini with her sister & boyfriend click HERE and HERE.

To see a picture of her and Tiffany Stiegler looking très chîc lounging by the pool, click HERE.
 

peachstatesk8er

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I don't think those pictures are any better or worse than anything else you see in most fashion mags. They always dress the women in outfits are that are not even close to being practical, functional, or even halfway wearable for everyday life. It's supposed to be high fashion daaaahlings; something we mere mortals apparently do not "get", LOL. They're not sexy, merely trying to be provocative. Hey, at least no one's calling her anorexic now, everyone's just grossed out by her buff muscles. Such a changeof heart! I guess she can't win no matter how she looks. ;)

Sexy, or an attempt at such, would be the pics of Mikkeline: http://www.m-online.dk/sw510.asp :eek:

At least Ms. Cohen keeps her clothes on, eh? (just to clarify, I have no problem with Mik's pics either, just pointing out that Sasha's are quite, er, tame in comaprison)
 
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Red Dog--I thought of this even before I reread the thread. I forgot to THANK YOU for posting the link to these photos. I love some of them and many people love all of them. It's clear you didn't post the link to start a rumble:)

Kathy--Welcome to GS!

Mathman--So whaddya think? Do we have the potential for another 12-page Sasha thread?;) BTW, Galaxina was a part the murdered Playboy Playmate Dorothy Stratton, ie "Star 80," played in the movie of the same name. I would have said Barbarella, but Jane Fonda never wore silver lamé, plus I didn't know if people would remember it. Now Dorothy Stratton at 18, fresh from working at a Dairy Queen in Canada, could turn on every sexual come-hither look and pose in the book for the camera. On her it looked honest and natural. For example the six-inch black heels, bend-over photo would've suited Dorothy Stratton to her sexual self T. IMO, on Sasha it did not look sexy. As I said before, to me it looked contrived. JMO.

Peach--Provocative! THAT'S the word I was looking for! And of course you're right that high fashion photo shoots are not about anything anybody would actually wear. Thanks.

Zanzibar--Thank you for clearing up the misinformation about Zakarian being Sasha's agent. I feel better now. Also when I said Zakarian was young, I should have said "relatively inexperience agent." I know he's been around the skating biz for about 10-15 years. I saw him skate his comedy routine with COI back in the mid-90s. Still didn't like the way he handled the SC "pushing" problem.

Idle--Those photos come close to what I was talking about, except I'd put Sasha in a natural setting--the ocean, her being a SoCal girl--have her get all giddy with the boyfriend but keep him out of the photo, and then try to capture Sasha's sexuality once the pheromones were going strong.

Registered--On some things, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Though I think if you read my post again, I think we agree on several things. You make excellent points that there is no "child beauty pageant" look or overdone hair and make up. And as I said before I like well-done "hot babe" photos if they're right for the person being photographed. My point was that some of the photos seemed to be trying to force a kind of contrived sexuality on Sasha that is not natural to her, at least not yet. Sasha just turned 19 and has been focusing very hard on skating. Maybe in a year or so, with more maturity (it can come fast and furious in a young woman's early 20s) and especially if she is on the podium at Worlds, photos such as the six-inch black heels, bent over shot may indeed reveal a part of Sasha's true sexuality.

IMO, photographer tried to tell the story of an athlete, who's toned body shows how hard she's working out. We can see her warming up at the bar, going to a ballet class, obviously. And then, she skates. Have anyone noticed, she's wearing skates in some of the pictures? Clothes Sasha wears in the photo spread really look more like a practice, warm up clothes, it's definitely not something wearable.
Although I see elements of a skater's story as in the things you mentioned, such as warming up, going to ballet class, skating (of course we noticed she was wearing skates in a couple of the photos--jeez, Registered:p). But I've known a lot of athletes and having been a dancer, I don't know anybody whose athletic day included warming up in six-inch black pumps in a pose I can't describe the way I'd really like to, at least not on the forum. Maybe if the first photo had been at the end, as in "personal time for the athlete on a day off" I'd buy the "story of the athlete" thing--which is not to say you and others might not be right. I just don't see it that way at all.

As for the "Lolita-chic" reference, I agree that there is nothing wrong with someone looking younger than their years expressing feelings commensurate with her true age. What I was trying to say is that I felt the photographer saw Sasha's face and size, which could pass for 14 or 15, and used it to imply an adolescent expressing sexuality beyond her years in SOME, not all of the photos. The thing I didn't like is that it didn't seem to me to convey an honest sexuality.

Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing Sasha in any way. She had a gig to do a photo shoot, she obvously worked hard and complied with everthing the photographer asked her to do, and of the dozen photos, more or less, we saw, she probably posed for a hundred. As a dancer we did photo shoots and holding those poses, trying to "give" something interesting to the camera, and all the rest of it is exhausting. Not that it's a brutal job, relatively speaking, but it's still hard. I was more sore after photo shoots or posing for art classes than I was after dancing.

Finally, if you read my post again, I think you'll see that I have absolutely nothing against Sasha modeling. I never even brought it up. I'm having fun writing this post, but all that matters to those reading it is what I say and how well I say it. The problem I had was with some of the photos. As you'll see, I liked most of them and loved two of them. I just think the photographer failed in getting a sense of Sasha's true sexuality in the couple of photos where it was clear that's what he was going for. I think he fell back on clichés like the "hurt me, baby, hurt me" shoes and poses. I think of Richard Avedon's photo of Nastassia Kinski with the boa snake draped around her nude reclined body and how he got the shot just as the boa darted its tongue out as if to kiss her neck as being a great example of an exotic yet honest expression of the subject's sexuality--meaning Kinski, though perhaps the snake too;) No breasts or genitalia show and Kinski's expression seems almost bored. But to me it had truth. I didn't see truth in the sexual photos of Sasha here and that's what I didn't like.

Granted, these distinctions are completely subjective and may seem subtle, but here we're discussing art, not sport. If Sorrenti had captured something that made me go, "Wow! Sasha, we never knew!" I'd be impressed. The photos emphasizing her musculature, her determination, her skating, all those were beautiful--even the dent in her stomach could be to many the "flaw" that makes the photo fascinating. However, as a whole, to me the photos were not exceptional. Also, I didn't like the way a lot of the photos were cropped, as in just below the knee in several of the skating shots, though maybe that was limited by magazine space. So my problem was with Sorrenti's choices as a photographer, not with Sasha's modelling. BTW, I'm not talking about Sasha liking modelling or having fun. I'm talking about the finished product, the photos, and whether or not they either reveal something about Sasha's "soul" for lack of better word or else deepen the mystery about her. Same standard I'd hold for similar photos of any athlete. IMO only two of these photos did showed something of Sasha's depth or increased her mystery.

I'd like to see Sasha do more photo shoots--as long as she enjoys doing them--but I think she has yet to be paired with the right photographer--ME:laugh: Just kidding--no doubt the top of her head woud be cut off in every shot.
Rgirl
 
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registered

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Rgirl said:
Registered--On some things, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Though I think if you read my post again, I think we agree on several things. You make excellent points that there is no "child beauty pageant" look or overdone hair and make up. And as I said before I like well-done "hot babe" photos if they're right for the person being photographed. My point was that some of the photos seemed to be trying to force a kind of contrived sexuality on Sasha that is not natural to her, at least not yet. Sasha just turned 19 and has been focusing very hard on skating. Maybe in a year or so, with more maturity (it can come fast and furious in a young woman's early 20s) and especially if she is on the podium at Worlds, photos such as the six-inch black heels, bent over shot may indeed reveal a part of Sasha's true sexuality.

As for the "Lolita-chic" reference, I agree that there is nothing wrong with someone looking younger than their years expressing feelings commensurate with her true age. What I was trying to say is that I felt the photographer saw Sasha's face and size, which could pass for 14 or 15, and used it to imply an adolescent expressing sexuality beyond her years in SOME, not all of the photos. The thing I didn't like is that it didn't seem to me to convey an honest sexuality.

Finally, if you read my post again, I think you'll see that I have absolutely nothing against Sasha modeling. I never even brought it up. I'm having fun writing this post, but all that matters to those reading it is what I say and how well I say it. The problem I had was with some of the photos. As you'll see, I liked most of them and loved two of them. I just think the photographer failed in getting a sense of Sasha's true sexuality in the couple of photos where it was clear that's what he was going for. I think he fell back on clichés like the "hurt me, baby, hurt me" shoes and poses. I think of Richard Avedon's photo of Nastassia Kinski with the boa snake draped around her nude reclined body and how he got the shot just as the boa darted its tongue out as if to kiss her neck as being a great example of an exotic yet honest expression of the subject's sexuality--meaning Kinski, though perhaps the snake too;) No breasts or genitalia show and Kinski's expression seems almost bored. But to me it had truth. I didn't see truth in the sexual photos of Sasha here and that's what I didn't like.

Granted, these distinctions are completely subjective and may seem subtle, but here we're discussing art, not sport. If Sorrenti had captured something that made me go, "Wow! Sasha, we never knew!" I'd be impressed.
Rgirl

RGirl, I love it, when someone intelligently argues their points of disagreement with me.

I'm glad we see some things in the same light, I just happen to think Sorrenti have done a fabulous job, trying to show different sides of Sasha. IMO, he did everything he could to avoid easy typecasts of "Lolita," or "beauty princess," with accentuating viewer's attention on Sasha's physical strength, and going for minimalist look. If anything, this Lolita would kick Humbert Humbert all the way back to Paris. LOL!

Except for ONE picture, the photo spread is mainly about an athlete, wearing a leotard, or a skating dress. You make a great point when you write, that if photographer's aim was to show coquettish, giggly Sasha, all he had to do, was to arrange a photo shoot by a pool side, and just let Sasha run around, bikini clad, with some boyfriend. But this is exactly what Sorrenti didn't want to do. I cannot agree with you more, when you so rightly assess, that MS's goal was to show the mixture of delicate fragility and amazing strength of a human body, showing an essence of Sasha, projecting an aura of complete serenity, and aggressiveness (what a combination!). Here you seem to contradict yourself, when in the same breath you say, that photographer went for a hot babe look. I just don't see it, and I don't think anyone could have contrive such look for Sasha, she's not exactly a sex spot, she doesn't have bombshell assets, and I believe Sorrenti is professional enough to see it for himself.

But then again, there's this ONE picture of her, wearing controversial looking black pumps... And she's also wearing a skating costume she herself designed, and the pose is very similar to so many elements, done by skaters. I don't know, it is just me, of course, but while trying to read between the lines of a "story," could it be a take on sometimes edgy, visual, often sensual (for a viewer) sport of figure skating? This is what we get "on a surface," but try to get deeper, and it's all about hard training, sweat, protruding muscles, self-doubt, and a lot of soul-searching.

Maybe I'm just getting carried away? (LOL!) Well, blame the photographer, he managed to convince me this way. I'm really impressed with Sorrenti here, and think he deserves more credit, than simply being a "guy, who discovered Kate Moss." He is quite an artist, I have to say. But it'll be also interesting to see what Richard Avedon would do with Sasha. RGirl, if quite mild, 6-inch pumps picture caused so much indignation, could you imagine what would happen if Sasha was photographed naked, with a snake, wrapped around her body? I'm afraid she would be publicly condemned, and American mothers would start hiding their children, when she appears on a TV screens. LOL!

Getting back to Sasha, I think she can make a wonderful model. She pulled off this otherworldly look, and ugly outfits, and she definitely trusted the photographer's "vision." All in all, I think it's a great photo-portrait of Sasha.
 

Tonichelle

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The one with her back arched at the barre with the exposed midriff is IMO very unflattering....legs look stubby and her abdomen just looks strange. Some of them look to be on the verge of porn lite.

ITA

As others have said she's been in other photo shoots that were way better than this one... she can come off being sexy without looking like one of the extras in a CSI episode where very little is left hidden...
 

Jhar55

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Not everyone is going to agree about the pictures. There's nothing wrong with them but, like I said before some were very nice and others not. We all have our own taste. And like they if no one is talking about you that's when you've not been noticed, or something like that. :sheesh:
 

Kara Bear

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I loved these pics...definetely better than the seventeen shoot. My favs:
The black heels shot: she looks hot!
The honest pic of Sasha with her head down...beautiful!!!
Go Sasha, don't listen to us....do whatever you want!!!!
 

IDLERACER

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Am I the only person in this whole forum who is really curious to know what that costume that appears to have gone through a paper shredder looks like when she's standing still?
 

R.D.

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Red Dog--I thought of this even before I reread the thread. I forgot to THANK YOU for posting the link to these photos. I love some of them and many people love all of them. It's clear you didn't post the link to start a rumble

No problem...everyone is going to have their own thoughts and opinions about things. I didn't think everyone would like (or not like for that matter) the photos. In fact I think we have a great discussion going on with this. It's interesting to read everyone's posts and views.
 

giseledepkat

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Just wanted to say, I've tremendously enjoyed reading the "debate" between Rgirl and registered on the merits of the photos! You're both so insightful and articulate, and you've made me able to see more deeply into the work. I only had this small response to contribute:
Rgirl said:
I think of Richard Avedon's photo of Nastassia Kinski with the boa snake draped around her nude reclined body and how he got the shot just as the boa darted its tongue out as if to kiss her neck as being a great example of an exotic yet honest expression of the subject's sexuality--meaning Kinski, though perhaps the snake too;) No breasts or genitalia show and Kinski's expression seems almost bored. But to me it had truth.

I really think you're onto something, RGirl: Avendon's Kinski photo was seminal, and these Sasha photos suffer by comparison. The Kinski photo came out at a time when I was just coming into my own young womanhood, and insecure and unaware of myself in many respects, not the least of all my sexuality! I remember being deeply impressed and deeply moved by the photo both on account of it's overall impression, but more specifically on account of it's easy acceptance --nay, celebration! -- of Nastasia's relaxed, "poochy" tummy. One part of me was horrified for her -- after all, contemporary portrayals of young, sexy women invariably depicted the tummy sucked in hard, usually in combination with the rib cage hyper-extended -- but the other part of me yearned with the hope that maybe, just maybe I could be sexy enough just by being myself. Not even trying!
 
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peachstatesk8er

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IDLERACER said:
Am I the only person in this whole forum who is really curious to know what that costume that appears to have gone through a paper shredder looks like when she's standing still?

You can read about the strips pf cloth in Sasha's latest journal entry: http://www.sashacohen.com/journal.shtml

Doesn't say what it looked like standing still, but it's a cute review of what she went through for the shoot.
 
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Wow, I do not like these pix at all! :( If I didn't know who Sasha was, I'd guess she was 12 at the *most*. Also, it looks like her hair is falling out from being pulled back so severely so much.

Cynthia Marie
 

mpal2

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The wardrobe had some things I liked and some were cutting edge.

Sounds like Sasha didn't like some of those outfits either. I think cutting edge is a polite way of saying they were very strange.
 

windspirit

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I think that the photos are very interesting, and good, too (and I'm glad I saw them before I've read this thread ;) ). There's a lot of Sasha in them, with a little bit of the photographer's image of her. To me it looks like she's saying in those photos: I'm a woman; a skater; an athlete; my own person; inventive; original; bold; etc. And her sexuality, even if present, is not overwhelming or exploited. I don't see anything Lolita-like about it -- because to me it seems like she is in charge. Actually this is the first time I can see a woman in her. Not a 16-year-oldish cute girl, which is what most of the photographers went for in the old photos I've seen of her. Not to mention the pics for "Seventeen", which were just a disaster, IMO.

I liked this one best:
http://www.sashacohen.com/photos/vmagazine11.gif
Also the one with white leg warmers, and the futuristic one.

serenity said:
I love most of these photos but some photos look like she is in great need of sun light for her skin.
As a person with a light complexion I've always been amazed by this. :laugh: Why do people think that we all need to look tanned? You know, some of us don't even tan; we burn. You feel like your skin is on fire; it's hot, and it hurts for days. I think I even took a painkiller this summer after I accidentally got a "tan." Personally I like the shade of my skin, and I don't understand why some people have a problem with it. Is Nicole Kidman in need of a tan? I think she looks great. :)
 
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