I think the quad is over rated, just saying...
I think the quad is over rated, just saying...
I agree. People emphasize how difficult the quad is, but it is exactly the same with difficult footwork, transitions etc. The requirement of the system changed, and amen to that. It annoys me to no end what Stojko wrote today - that doing nice spins and footwork is 'just' and it no taking risk. Yes, you take a risk when you stuff your program with other difficult element.
I have seen very few good quads recently - and the reason is probably that the system is different than in 2002. We cannot compare quad 2002 era with current state of figure skating. And honestly, I prefer a nice program without a quad, than a beautiful quad (Ponsero, Verner) followed by meltdown.
Last edited by Kinga; 02-19-2010 at 06:42 PM.
I wonder if ISU will increase the value of the quad again after all this. But even that won't really help. The risk is missing it, for which you get pretty much 0 points. Nobody can land them all the time (except maybe Plushy).
Most of my collegues believe it's ridiculous men's figure skating is now back to triple era. No wonder figure skating is becoming more and more only for women spectators.
Perhaps I shall begin to hate them based on your assessment.
And perhaps Miki Ando shouldn't practice one because she hates watching herself do them soooo much.
Because certain people can't seem to handle the fact this sport is Figure Skating and not Jumping On Ice. There's more to skating than just being able to spin four times in the air, wiggling your hips and blowing kisses to the Judges.Evan won because he had better GOE, spins, footwork, etc. I don't see why him not doing a quad and winning is so controversial.
And we've all seen what's happened to Mao's skating w/her preoccupation w/the Triple Axel. It's great to have it and land it, but when she misses it...The program suffers and it's a shame because I think that Mao is one of the ones who could do both. Have strong techincial skills along w/the artistic side of things.Mao had a faceplant in her FS the year she was world champion, and Alissa landed three triples in her FS the year she won nationals - those were MUCH more controversial victories than Evan's here IMO and people accepted the results with much less grumbling...clearly it is not all about jumps, example, Lepisto. How many times has Yuna popped her loop or sal and still won? There was some controversial scoring last night, but not for Evan and Plushy. Saying a guy can't win without a quad is like saying a lady can't win without a 3-3....as far as I know, Yuna and Rachael are the only two ladies to consistently land a 3-3 this season, and Rachael didn't even make the GPF.
As for last night...That wasn't the death of the Sport and those who think so, I feel sorry for. Last night the Sport WON, because it's not all about one jump yet and I hope we never end up on that road ever. When we do, *then* we can say skating has died. Until then, might I point a certain Quad King to an actual Choreographer and a Spin coach, because he needs them!!
^^ glad someone is on the same page
Preoccupation with one jump is bad news...cough...Joubert...cough....Verner. I mean seriously.
Are we returning the Olympics to its Greek roots of excluding women?
Chan was credited with three 3axels at the Olympics, he only landed one double axel, you liar.
And again, who are your colleagues? You can tell me, I promise I won't think worse of them for associating with a sexist liar.
Last edited by DesertRoad; 02-19-2010 at 08:52 PM.
Maybe they could start doing 8s and other figures again, like in the ooooold time. I mean, it's called figure skating.
(I dont even know if Im serious)
I feel splited about the quad question. I need more time to think about it. All of you have a point.
The only thing I felt last night was the fs is not fair at all. I felt sick when I thought about the mens result. Fs are not compareble to any other sport in Olympics. Judged sport is so hard, never fair (I will not drag the robbed Stephane and Johnny and the overscored Pstrick up, I promise), especially not with different judges. The skaters can never be judged by robots and human judges can never be 100% equal even with a judge book. Sad but true. I enjoyed this final very much, I really did, but from now on I think Im not gonna care that much about competitions anymore. I love fs cos its such a beautiful sport to watch and its so sad may be destroyed by being judged. But on the other hand the competition is so exciting, we love the thrill, the heart ache and the joy. This is so hard...