Last edited by miki88; 02-19-2010 at 09:20 PM.
The quad is something special. Period. While skaters should not be penalized for foregoing it, as not everyone can have it (that's what makes it special to start with), skaters should be rewarded for successfully landing it. The quad has been devalued by CoP. There should be more points given for a successful one, as incentive to try, just as there should be more points given to Mao whenever she nails that 3A since such skaters are pushing the envelope.
I think we're jumping to conclusions though. The quad is not dead. Like Yamaguchi said in a NYT article, skating goes through cycles. The current crop of men can win without quads, as they learn to milk the system and no top-tier skater can pull it all together in addition to a quad. We're in a period of adjustment (to CoP). At the moment, it's about getting Lv4s and boosting that PCS, but once that's figured out (and scores become more or less even among the top competitors), I have a feeling more men will look for the quad to edge out wins . Or if a single skater had Takhashi's fire + Lambiel's spins + Plushy's jumps + Kozuka's skating skills (now wouldn't that be something to behold), I bet more skaters would flock toward the quad in order to stay competitive. The truth of the matter, though, is that none of the top competitors was the whole package, so Lysacek wins by virtue of his well-rounded, albeit quadless, performance. If Plushy had Lambiel's spins, he would've won hands-down, but the truth is, Plushy doesn't. I love Plushy, but Lysacek won this one fair and quare by the CoP system.
All we can do is wait for another Battle of the Quads a la 2002 SLC and for skaters like Yagudin, Plushenko (in his prime) and Takahashi+quad to emerge (and I do say the 2nd group last night looked promising). The quad is not dead. There's no need for a funeral It will come back.
As for the value of the quad.. Well, I think this article puts it best:
http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...#ixzz0g2QydpOzBut one casualty in raising the technical precision of the sport [by CoP] is the spontaneity that makes sports exciting. Athletes at this level live on the edge of control and chaos, and it's the collective wow of moments when they butt themselves up against that line that take our breath away and keep bringing us back to watch. "It's important for any sport to continue to raise the bar and move forward," Paul Wylie, a 1992 silver medalist, told me after the men's short programs. "I have to admit, as a performer who did two triple Axels in my program in Albertville, I am surprised that more guys aren't doing the quad."
Last edited by dlgpffps; 02-19-2010 at 10:07 PM.
In fairness to Joubert I'm tired of hearing he's only got quads. The guy has worked hard on his spins, and he's now one of the better spinners in the field.
But I think the issue is that the quad requires a lot of stamina nobody's been able to do a quad and all the high level stuff at worlds in four years) that says something about the quad's difficulty. Which shouldnt' be pooh poed as nothing. The Quad is very high risk. I'd like to see it worth more.
However, maybe some should also strategize abuot perhaps doing a little bit less difficulty in footwork/spins and go for more difficulty in the jumps. I.e maybe do an easier level 2 footwork sequence, and then go for a harder one (after you've done the jumps at the end). Maybe do one easier spin (and do two harder ones at the end, after once again the jumps are done. A jumping layout like this would get HUGE base value, something like 17 points higher than something like Evan's, and would likely get high GOE too.
3loop/3sal sequence do this early because if you miss the sequence you can add it to a 3flip or a 3lutz...
It is difficult because it may seem like throwing points away to easy up on the spins/footwork, but it may help stamina wise...Just make sure do at least one level four spin at the end of your program, and have the appropriate levels in the short program. And you can answer the Chan's by saying, I CAN do level 3 footwork because I did it in the short, but I'm strategizing to do a little easier footwork so that I can get do some harder jumping passes (lol)
Last edited by bekalc; 02-19-2010 at 10:07 PM.
But 2A-Chan is our future, or not?
Of course not, silly. 4T-Kozuka shall be the future of the sport!
Or Lutzy Rippon and/or Czech Buttle will be.
Last edited by aftertherain; 02-19-2010 at 11:11 PM.
I'm also pulling for Javier and Amodio the French Orphan. All these youngins are so good
The future of figure skating - 2014 podium threats
Brezina (aka Czech Buttle)
Borodulin (mini Plushenko?)
Christina Gao (female version of Patrick Chan, the NBC commentators at nats couldn't say enough good things about her, she's that good, money jumps)
Tuktamysheva (sp?....third tiny Russian girl)