Sour Grapes and Bitterness
Disrespecting Boitano now? Okay, I've now lost what little respect I had for Elvis. No, you didn't win the Olympic Gold medal in '94 against (a very artistic, yet technically flawed) Urmanov. LOL
What I enjoy sooooo much about this, is that no amount of moaning from Elvis, Plushenko or his fans will ever change the fact that Evan Lysacek is the 2010 Olympic GOLD Medalist. It must be soooo frustrating. LOL
*hand in shape of "L" on forehead* LOL
Kozuka is a gorgeous skater, but I think Chan benefits from reputation scoring since winning silver at Worlds. I also think Kozuka suffers from the third skater syndrome whereas Patrick is by far the best male Canadian skater.
Originally Posted by ks777
I'm happy that I'm not the only one who agrees with this
Originally Posted by Alatariel
On the Ice
Mhm, dead is figure skating because of the quad...
Originally Posted by UM84
There is SO much emphasis put on this element that the Olympic champion of 2010 didn't need to try it. You should be overjoyed.
Originally Posted by Soldier of Love
not only quads were killed by the americans and canadians, but great quads skaters are being killed by americans and canadians.
what a shame,
No one is "killing great quad skaters." What an absurd comment. Quads are great but they aren't the total package and never will be. You cannot disregard the rest of the performance or lack thereof. Lysacek's jumps were better, his transitions and footwork were better and his spins were better. He is not Johnny or Patrick in the artistry department but he is certainly better than Plushenko.
Plushenko was sloppy even though he landed everything. He tends to skate from "the waist up." The pelvic gyrations were hilarious and wouldn't pass for artistry in a strip club. I have seen him skate MUCH better than this. I am sure he knows that too. It is possible Mishkin told him to do the quad combo cleanly and it was a done deal. That was a misconception on his part and I am not sure where he got it. I despise COP but even I knew that a quad wouldn't win the gold if the rest of the program was not so great. COP has points for absolutely everything. How could they think a quad would be the end all, be all???? Geesh.
I like Plushenko and always have. But I am disappointed that he has been so ungracious. I believe he is being egged on by people around him and they are doing him a great disservice.
Last edited by kyla2; 02-20-2010 at 12:32 AM.
I'm agreeing with everybody whose calling bs on the "all around skater". I can't stand it. I rewatched Alexei yagudin's olympic performance in 02. THAT was olympic gold medal material. (regardless of the quads). This is not about the quad, whether or not you think the gold medal winner needs one. This is about the inbetween and Evan and Plushy have NEVER had the inbetween IMO. The thought that the winner made skating look so ugly to me makes me lose hope in my sport. This is not a slight on Evan, he should be very proud of all he's accomplished in his career. I just will never get it. That was not an olympic gold medal performance to me. And for as deep of a field that we had this year, I'm dissapointed.
Moscow, Alexei Yagudin was the definitive all around skater so you're argument is moot. The winner did not make skating look ugly. That is just rubbish. Evan was the best of the night and that's what it takes to win the gold medal.
"Hold an edge and look sexy!"
Nope, moscow's assessment of Lysacek is spot-on accurate IMO. This will not be a memorable mens' Olympic Games figure skating event for me. It's like the 2002 Olympic ladies' . . . a nightmare covered in molasses.
Originally Posted by kyla2
Sorry Kyla, Alexei and Evan just don't compare. We aren't arguing who the best of the night was, we are arguing that this is about Skating turning into a jumping contest instead of a whole package ordeal. Evan is not the whole package. he can jump. he's consistent. He has a great work ethic. But he is NOT an all around skater. there is no connection with music, there is no attention towards movements and choreography. Yet since he's apparantly the golden boy now, people are showering him with accolades that are not accurate. He will never have the all around package. Sorry.
Originally Posted by Fielding
ITA. I can listen to music better than a deaf person, that makes me an "all-aound musical interpreter" ?
Originally Posted by Fielding
Plushenko could of won the gold. All he needed to do was add a double on one of his combination jump to make it a 3-jump combo to get a couple more points. He could of also gotten extra points by completing a level 4 flying sit instead of level 3. If he just focus on what he needed to do and not thinking about what everyone else is doing, he could of won the men's event IMO.
If skaters are going to have difficult jumps in their program (such as quads, triple-triple combos etc), they have to make sure that they fully rotated the jump. As we know now, if the skater does not complete the rotation by the landing, the jump will be downgraded and include a big -GOE (-2 or -3 depending on the judges thoughts). If you fall and under rotate the element, the skater will get -3 GOE and the jumps is pretty much worth under 1.00 in points. IMO, your program components can be reflected if you fully rotate your jumps or not. I seen skaters program components lower than their usual if they have underrotated jumps in their program.
The COP is not forgiving on unrotated jumps as it was in the 6.0 system. Thats probably why we don't see as many of the difficult jumps at the moment. The skaters has to be confident with the difficult jump or combo before putting it out in competition. You can't really test it out in competitions anymore and certantitly, the judges don't give the skater credit for attempting the difficult jumps now of days with the COP.
Although Evan deserved gold, I wish a skater with both technical ability and appropriate artistry had won. I'm thinking Alexei or Plushenko when they won gold. Evan was technically good, artistically good but nothing in his program screamed brilliant.
More people would be satisfied with the result.
I never saw Evgeni or Elvis with any artistry, but then I rearely see artistry in figure skating. I think their beef is about masculinity.
I would suggest a colossal run off for the two of them in a Battle of the FS Jumps similar to Diving Competitions and, of coures, without music. Why not?