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    Why all the hate?

    I thought the Olympics was supposed to be about the world coming togther, but for some reason this board has turned into a very hateful place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UM84 View Post
    I thought the Olympics was supposed to be about the world coming togther, but for some reason this board has turned into a very hateful place.
    I'm watching Olympic coverage on American television, which gives me a very valid excuse for expressing my hate. If I could choose a commentating team that wasn't so biased and actually respected and appreciated all the world's athletes equally maybe I wouldn't be suffering from male PMS, mkay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    I'm watching Olympic coverage on American television, which gives me a very valid excuse for expressing my hate. If I could choose a commentating team that wasn't so biased and actually respected and appreciated all the world's athletes equally maybe I wouldn't be suffering from male PMS, mkay.
    Ditto everything you said, but I'm a girl. NBC commentators except for Tracy Wilson IMO are so biased towards some skaters that it makes it very easy to hate certain skaters b/c of that bias. Whoever Scotty and Sandra promote overwhelmingly, I begin to dislike. I probably wouldn't be so harsh on some skaters and defend others (that I don't even like) if it weren't for those 2. Those 2 along with Tom Hammond have ruined my Olympic experiences ever since 2002 when NBC got the games. I liked ABC and CBS coverage of figure skating so much better....

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    I don't have hate for the skaters, but the commentators really get on my nerves. Scott and Sandra clearly WORSHIP some skaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by #1Kerryfan View Post
    I don't have hate for the skaters, but the commentators really get on my nerves. Scott and Sandra clearly WORSHIP some skaters.
    CHAN (oh and Evan), they can't say enough about this kid, and I kinda get why, he's really good, but still. They also like to talk about how Brezina is just jumps and how his spins and overall skating aren't good, I thought that was kind of harsh, I think he's a great all around skater with a lot of potential. At nationals they were obsessed with Mirai and Christina Gao, both who I love so it's all good, but seriously they were promoting Gao as the next big thing, which frankly she is, but she's still only 15.

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    I agree with the Original Poster. It's funny if you think about it. Here we are, grown adults (for the most part), hiding behind Internet anonymity to hurl granades at each other over the issue of whether one figure skater is prettier than another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UM84 View Post
    I thought the Olympics was supposed to be about the world coming togther, but for some reason this board has turned into a very hateful place.
    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    I'm watching Olympic coverage on American television, which gives me a very valid excuse for expressing my hate. If I could choose a commentating team that wasn't so biased and actually respected and appreciated all the world's athletes equally maybe I wouldn't be suffering from male PMS, mkay.
    You both raise valid points. My Olympic excitement is at an all time low and part of it is the nastiness on the boards and part is the biased reporting on NBC/Universal.

    I thought the cold war ended years and years ago but NBC is hellbent on fanning the flames and keeping the hatred going. And even though Plushenko's programs (Lysaceks as well to be honest) weren't particularly inspiring I do like him as a person but I'm disppointed that he (Evgeny) doesn't mind playing into NBC's portrayal of him as the evil Russian. The other night Bob Costas was interviewing Lysacek and proceeded to read a list of all the things Plushenko had said since the mens event had ended. Why not ignore that and allow Lysacek to talk about his skating and his coach.

    Part of the reason so many NA's believe that any good result by European and especially Russian skaters is all bloc judging is because of the years the American networks have spent drilling that into their heads. Look at how NBC was trying to rile up people before and during the pairs event. "The Russians" were finally going to lose their "stranglehold" on the pairs event. Will "The Russians" manage to keep their hold on the pairs title?

    Even before the event began I think everyone knew the answer to that would be no. K&S are good but are just starting out and were contenders for bronze if they had good skates but they were not gold medal contenders. Of course why tell the truth when being so OTT dramatic might be more interesting. Even here people would rather upset themselves by getting all dramatic over something that wasn't going to happen. I lost count of how many times I read about people being disgusted that the Russians were going to cheat poor S&Z by pushing unworthy K&S onto the top of the podium.

    Don't get me wrong, there have been instances in which teams were helped along or held up in the past but IMO most of the Russian and European triumphs in the past were deserved. The Russian had a "stranglehold" on the pair title because the Russian federation gave the same attention to their pairs that the U.S. has given to their own ladies skating program. I recall Peter Carruthers back when he was allowed to do pairs commentary explain why the Russian teams were almost always ahead. The basic skating skills and speed and polish of those teams were first rate. I remember reading an old copy of Blades on Ice and one of the American coaches stated that in the U.S. the kids wanted to do the big tricks but didn't pay as much attention to the basics.

    Now with the influx of Russian coaches into the U.S. that dominated of course has ended and thus the pairs are good and have potential but aren't as good as their predecessors. Thus no Russian team on the podium in Vancouver. No drama required.

    I wonder if Peter Carruthers' fairness and failure to automatically hint that certain teams were being cheated is one reason why he doesn't do color commentary anymore.

    Even on the message boards the nastiness began. Automatically Russian D&S must have been held up if they are first in the CD. I got the feeling that some people just saw a Russian team and didn't pay attention to what was on the ice. I've seen some descriptions of D&S's CD last night that bear little or no resemblance to what I saw on my own television.

    I'm American and for the most part am proud to see my country men and women do well but ever since I've become a figure skating fan I've also loved and appreciated the style of the European and Russian skaters.

    It's sad to see so many nasty comments flung at the skaters and each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyan View Post
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    Nicely said.

    The irony of the whole pairs thing is that the Russian stronghold was toppled by ... a pair from a still communist country. I'm not trying to be anti-communist or anything, but am just noting that NBC is making such a cold war fuss about Russia, which is NO LONGER a communist country, but yet has completely ignored that the country that has shown its dominance in pairs now is from a communist country that has a similar skating program to what the USSR had in the 60s to the early 1990s. I have to find the link, but AP wrote a blog post about how basically that who Yao Bin is able to coach is hand picked by the Chinese sporting academies as opposed to people coming to him. Actually, I'm glad they didn't and I don't think they could anyway because quite frankly Yao Bin and his teams trascended those politics. They're just hard working skaters that really made the sport a bit better.

    And yes Dom/Shabs did deserve first place in CD. They were sharp. And CD is their best element. And goodness there's only 3 points that separate 1st and 4th...so I don't know why everyone is calling foul already.

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    Um what? Modern China is about exactly as Communist as modern Russia is: not very. Both still have highly autocratic and centralized regimes that control the major industries, but have relaxed a lot of the ownership rules, enough to create a burgeoning and enterprising middle class. The difference is the US has intricate economic ties with China, far less so with Russia, with whom the US still has an often contentious relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertRoad View Post
    Um what? Modern China is about exactly as Communist as modern Russia is: not very. Both still have highly autocratic and centralized regimes that control the major industries, but have relaxed a lot of the ownership rules, enough to create a burgeoning and enterprising middle class. The difference is the US has intricate economic ties with China, far less so with Russia, with whom the US still has an often contentious relationship.
    I wasn't trying to get into an anti-communist debate or what communism is or whatever. I'm just saying that the USSR-era sports programs has clearly influenced the ones you see in China today. And I find it funny while NBC seems so anti-Russian but they're just going crazy over a pairs program that I think in some ways is influenced by the Russians. And yes you're right, that might have to do with the bigger-political relationships we see between the U.S. and Russia and the U.S and China.

    ETA: Please don't read too much into this!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyan View Post
    You both raise valid points. My Olympic excitement is at an all time low and part of it is the nastiness on the boards and part is the biased reporting on NBC/Universal.

    I thought the cold war ended years and years ago but NBC is hellbent on fanning the flames and keeping the hatred going. And even though Plushenko's programs (Lysaceks as well to be honest) weren't particularly inspiring I do like him as a person but I'm disppointed that he (Evgeny) doesn't mind playing into NBC's portrayal of him as the evil Russian. The other night Bob Costas was interviewing Lysacek and proceeded to read a list of all the things Plushenko had said since the mens event had ended. Why not ignore that and allow Lysacek to talk about his skating and his coach.

    Part of the reason so many NA's believe that any good result by European and especially Russian skaters is all bloc judging is because of the years the American networks have spent drilling that into their heads. Look at how NBC was trying to rile up people before and during the pairs event. "The Russians" were finally going to lose their "stranglehold" on the pairs event. Will "The Russians" manage to keep their hold on the pairs title?

    Even before the event began I think everyone knew the answer to that would be no. K&S are good but are just starting out and were contenders for bronze if they had good skates but they were not gold medal contenders. Of course why tell the truth when being so OTT dramatic might be more interesting. Even here people would rather upset themselves by getting all dramatic over something that wasn't going to happen. I lost count of how many times I read about people being disgusted that the Russians were going to cheat poor S&Z by pushing unworthy K&S onto the top of the podium.

    Don't get me wrong, there have been instances in which teams were helped along or held up in the past but IMO most of the Russian and European triumphs in the past were deserved. The Russian had a "stranglehold" on the pair title because the Russian federation gave the same attention to their pairs that the U.S. has given to their own ladies skating program. I recall Peter Carruthers back when he was allowed to do pairs commentary explain why the Russian teams were almost always ahead. The basic skating skills and speed and polish of those teams were first rate. I remember reading an old copy of Blades on Ice and one of the American coaches stated that in the U.S. the kids wanted to do the big tricks but didn't pay as much attention to the basics.

    Now with the influx of Russian coaches into the U.S. that dominated of course has ended and thus the pairs are good and have potential but aren't as good as their predecessors. Thus no Russian team on the podium in Vancouver. No drama required.

    I wonder if Peter Carruthers' fairness and failure to automatically hint that certain teams were being cheated is one reason why he doesn't do color commentary anymore.

    Even on the message boards the nastiness began. Automatically Russian D&S must have been held up if they are first in the CD. I got the feeling that some people just saw a Russian team and didn't pay attention to what was on the ice. I've seen some descriptions of D&S's CD last night that bear little or no resemblance to what I saw on my own television.

    I'm American and for the most part am proud to see my country men and women do well but ever since I've become a figure skating fan I've also loved and appreciated the style of the European and Russian skaters.

    It's sad to see so many nasty comments flung at the skaters and each other.
    Thank you for this refreshing post. I agree with everything you've said, and I think you've given a pretty insightful possible answer to the question posed in this thread.
    Last edited by sarahmistral; 02-21-2010 at 12:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyan View Post
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    As others have noted before me, thank you for posting this message. Ever since NBC got the Olympics in 2002, I've had mixed feelings about watching it. I love the competition, but I hate the filter in which I have to watch it on my tv. I guess I could watch it live on the internet, but I prefer to watch it on tv with my dvr etc. For the people that hate NBC's coverage of the Olympics wrt figure skating, maybe we should start a campaign and list our complaints against the network? Maybe if NBC received enough complaints, they might reconsider changing their coverage and tone of these Games?

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    Heh.

    Passion. We're passionate enough to debate endlessly with people we don't know around the world about a sport we love. Things get heated.

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    You're right, and the odd thing is it actually happens in real life as well, not just limited to the boards. The cold war was on big time at the arena last night.

    It's not about patriotism either. You can still love those from your country, but enjoy others. Yet, I didn't see that at the arena. All around me except for a few there was this big time hate against Evgeni. Now I see why people say that skating in one's home country or continent can help. I now believe that, which I never did before. It took attending the Olympics live to make me realize that there is validity behind that argument. As well as the home country/continent push.

    Sports makes one's real self come out, prejudice & hate being a part of that...

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    Good god, if you think what's going on in these boards is hateful, try talking to some footie fans, or worse yet, attending one of them fútbol games. Or observe Korean speed skating fans. I think it was in 2002 or 2006, when Apolo Anton Ohno won over a Korean skater on a foul call, Korean fans responded by launching a denial of service attack on various American and Olympic websites. And that's just the beginning of their hateful festivities, you can read about the rest here:

    http://wintergames.ap.org/story.aspx...a26a598ba59589

    The good-natured bickering and hilarious snarking on these boards is harmless fun.

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