Page 10 of 17 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 LastLast
Results 136 to 150 of 252

Thread: Plushenko & other Russians comment on the Men's Event

  1. #136
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    106
    I trully enjoy the defensive tone of a mediocre skater's fans, hilarious.
    I really really hope that Chan will able to snatch the world title next month by landing only one 3A. His fans will continue to educate us on he wins fair and square by milking those superb 'in-betweens' .

  2. #137
    Banned janetfan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Philadelphia, PA
    Posts
    6,889
    Quote Originally Posted by jennylovskt View Post
    FYI, Plushenko is above all. Even the judge of the judges Mr. Inman would listen to him. Where is Mr. Inman when we need him? He needs to send out e-mails to 60+ judges addressing the quad values because Plushenko said so.
    Don't you think it is a little bit late for that?

    And try to remember - Inman is a specialist in the pcs/artistic part of the CoP.
    You will need an ISU TES training specialist to notify others about problems in the TES scoring.

    Didn't Evan and Plushy tie each other in the pcs? Apparently Inman had little effect or maybe there was even a backlash against Evan because his pcs were not the highest.

    I have made many posts about various problems with the CoP.
    I understand Plushy fans and Evan bashers for being unhappy about the results.

    But I honestly don't think it is Evan's fault. Evan is not a judge or tech specialist. As you know he is a skater. I see very few complaints about the CoP although i think you did complain about it.

    Joesitz also correctly pointed out anger is ill spent bashing Evan when unhappy fans should be bashing the system and/or the judges.

    If Evan had beaten Plushy by 4-8 points on the pcs then you might have a valid complaint against Inman. But the breakdown of the scoring doesn't show Plushy lost because of the pcs. He lost from the TES.

    All of the Evan bashing in the world won't change things. All of the excuses and whining from Mishin and Plushy won't change things.

    But a better CoP could have changed things.
    Last edited by janetfan; 02-20-2010 at 11:08 PM.

  3. #138
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    378
    i really respect plushenko's legacy, and applaud his comeback. i just think his program was...bad. not close to plush standards. all the standing around? the choreo? even the jumps that night? i guess i'm just surprised so many are defending it. he's way better than that program.

  4. #139
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    1,560
    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Don't you think it is a little bit late for that?
    No, it's not. Plushenko is still competing. It's for the next competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    Didn't Evan and Plushy tie each other in the pcs? Apparently Inman had little effect or maybe there was even a backlash against Evan because his pcs were not the highest.

    I have made many posts about various problems with the CoP.
    I understand Plushy fans and Evan bashers for being unhappy about the results.

    But I honestly don't think it is Evan's fault. Evan is not a judge or tech specialist. As you know he is a skater. I see very few complaints about the CoP although i think you did complain about it.

    Joesits also correctly pointed out anher is ill spent bashing Evan when unhappy fans should be bashing the system and/or the judges.

    If Evan had beaten Plushy by 4-8 points on the pcs then you might have a valid complaint against Inman. But the breakdown of the scoring doesn't show Plushy lost because of the pcs. He lost from the TES.
    Evan's PCS was toooooo high compared with Takahashi's even though Takahashi's PCS number was a little higher. Evan's PCS should not be at the same level with the likes of the true artists.

    Also, without a quad, the SP score was around 85. At GPF, his was inflated to 89. This time, his even above 90. Lysacek's SP score was rediculous. That's the reason that he could get the total score of 1.31 above Plushenko in the end.

    You have taken the tone that Lysacek took. But he shouldn't get such high PCS in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by janetfan View Post
    All of the Evan bashing in the world won't change things. All of the excuses and whining from Mishin and Plushy won't change things.

    But a better CoP could have changed things.
    What about the Plushenko bashers like you? So childish - I could use the same word for you too.

    All the controversies are good! It could result in changing CoP, raise the quad value.
    Last edited by jennylovskt; 02-21-2010 at 12:01 AM.

  5. #140
    Banned janetfan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Philadelphia, PA
    Posts
    6,889
    Quote Originally Posted by jennylovskt View Post
    No, it's not. Plushenko is still competing. It's for the next competition.



    Evan's PCS was toooooo high compared with Takahashi's even though Takahashi's PCS number was a little higher. Evan's PCS should not be at the same level with the likes of the true artists.

    Also, without a quad, the SP score was around 85. At GPF, his was inflated to 89. This time, his even above 90. Lysacek's SP score was rediculous. That's the reason that he could get the total score of 1.31 above Plushenko in the end.

    You have taken the tone that Lysacek took. But he shouldn't get such high PCS in the first place.



    What about the Plushenko bashers like you? So childish - I could use the same word for you too.

    All the contraversies are good! It could result in changing CoP, raise the quad value.
    I was quiet the night after the LP and didn't get involved too much until the Evan bashing reached ridiculous levels.
    Then I regretfully get as bad as anyone else.
    A problem with the pcs is that some of it is subjective. You won't admit it but you object to Evans's style just the way others may object to Joubert's style.

    But on the TES it is not hard to see Evan is a better spinner and although I hate Evan's and Plushy's steps Evan almost always gets good marks on his steps.
    Evan did what - twice as many jumps in the second half of his program as Plushy? That is alot of points Plushy conceded to Evan.

    So no quad for Evan - but whoever heard of an Olympic champion with no triple filp?
    Even the Ladies must have this jump to win and Plushy didn't do it?

    If anyone is skating like a lady it is Plushy without a triple flip. If he did one he would still be the OC. If Plushy did anything in the last minute of his program besides blowing kisses to the judges and a pelvic thrust he would still be OC.

    This whole thing is a non-controversy. Plushy and Mishin deserve to lose for sheer incompetence bordering on arrogance with a big dash of stupidity. They blew it plain and simple.

    Plushy will always be remembered in history as a great skater. Evan will be remembered as the one who beat him in Vancouver.

  6. #141
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Texas, United States
    Posts
    4,951
    So I heard Plushenko wants to compete at Sochi 2014, but will he compete at Worlds next month or internationally next year? And what about Lambiel, done for good?

  7. #142
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    1,560
    Flip or not, it doesn't matter. No body cares flip, everyone talks about quad. Triple flip is just another triple jump. Quad is a jump on the next level. The judges inflated Lysacek's SP score, even inflated Takahashi's SP score. As a result, it created this narrow difference in the total scores. I agree that Plushenko didn't do enough in LP, but Lysacek should not be a champion as the result. He could just win the LP. I think everyone could accept that.

  8. #143
    Tripping on the Podium
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    50
    Quote Originally Posted by museksk8r View Post
    Takahashi actually earned the highest PCS of the night in the LP with 84.50 and Lambiel was second highest with 83.60. Had Dai played it safe like Evan, he would be Olympic champion. Daisuke has got to be kicking himself in the aftermath of it all. Why did he have to try that quad . . . it ruined everything for him.
    Finally someone thought of the same thing!! I was so frustrated with his decision to go the quad, but now I realized he probably had no choice from his culture stand point. Remember miki ando desperately wanted to do 3-3 because she couldn't take the pressure from Japanese media/people? which made morozov furious and he eventually stopped her by threatening to break up... I bet Dai faced tremendous pressure from back home to perform the quad. skating in Asia is popular but still fairly new, people tend to put a lot of emphasis on jumps since that's the most exciting and obvious move.

  9. #144
    On the Ice
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    45
    I love how Plushy, with his joke of a program including hip gyrations and "oooohh, aren't I so hot and sexy" (looking like a bad imitation of a pole dancer in the process), complains that Evan's skate isn't masculine enough, due to the lack of a quad...

    Plush, I love you and applaud your 4-3, but that program was frankly an insult to the Olympics.

  10. #145
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Posts
    1,560
    Quote Originally Posted by qazwsx View Post
    I bet Dai faced tremendous pressure from back home to perform the quad. skating in Asia is popular but still fairly new, people tend to put a lot of emphasis on jumps since that's the most exciting and obvious move.
    I don't think so. I think it was his own heroic act.

  11. #146
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    208
    Quote Originally Posted by formersk8ter View Post
    I love how Plushy, with his joke of a program including hip gyrations and "oooohh, aren't I so hot and sexy" (looking like a bad imitation of a pole dancer in the process), complains that Evan's skate isn't masculine enough, due to the lack of a quad...

    Plush, I love you and applaud your 4-3, but that program was frankly an insult to the Olympics.
    Good point, people fail to remember his program was not good

  12. #147
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    334
    Quote Originally Posted by jennylovskt View Post
    Flip or not, it doesn't matter. No body cares flip, everyone talks about quad. Triple flip is just another triple jump. Quad is a jump on the next level. The judges inflated Lysacek's SP score, even inflated Takahashi's SP score. As a result, it created this narrow difference in the total scores. I agree that Plushenko didn't do enough in LP, but Lysacek should not be a champion as the result. He could just win the LP. I think everyone could accept that.
    I think the "I think everyone could accept that." is quite naive. Evan fans, and all those who don't like the lack of presentation in Plushenko's programs would be....unhappy.

  13. #148
    Constable , Costume Police colleen o'neill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    1,784
    He also had no real choice because Plushy skated last and though no-one knew what he would do, ..there was a lot of talk about 2 quads, 4/3 combos . Dai knew what was in his own program and if P. lived up to projections he knew he would need it.

  14. #149
    :) aftertherain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    2,340
    Quote Originally Posted by qazwsx View Post
    Finally someone thought of the same thing!! I was so frustrated with his decision to go the quad, but now I realized he probably had no choice from his culture stand point. Remember miki ando desperately wanted to do 3-3 because she couldn't take the pressure from Japanese media/people? which made morozov furious and he eventually stopped her by threatening to break up... I bet Dai faced tremendous pressure from back home to perform the quad. skating in Asia is popular but still fairly new, people tend to put a lot of emphasis on jumps since that's the most exciting and obvious move.
    "Go big or go home."

    While culture could have played a part in his attempt, I believe "Go big or go home" was his sentiment.

    It's not so much about winning a medal. It's more of feeling worthy of winning a medal, in his case. I think that he thought that if he hadn't at least attempted a quad, he wouldn't feel right with a medal.
    Last edited by aftertherain; 02-21-2010 at 01:30 AM.

  15. #150
    Medalist
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    75
    I've been looking at both of Daisuke's programs at NBC Olympics. I watch an element and then look at the score it received. Daisuke lost a lot of potential points by wobbling on his spins in both the short and long programs. Some of his spins also traveled a bit. I noticed in previous competitions on the circuit this year the same problem. I hope he can fix that before World's next month.

    I do find it curious that Takahashi received a 1.80 GOE for his 3 lutz in the short, but in the long only received -.6 for his triple lutz and triple lutz combo. Could his technique on the triple lutz have changed so drastically from the short to the long? Unfortunately, I haven't found a slow-motion video that shows a closeup of Dai entering the triple lutz so I don't think I can make an informed guess. Just seems odd to me that a different judging panel would see that jump so differently when I would assume that Dai entered the Lutz jump in the same manner in both the short and the long.

Page 10 of 17 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •