Johnny Be Robbed?
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was absolutely politicaly judges. IT WAS NOT A SPORT. IT WAS DIRTY SPORTS. THE GOLD MEDALIST WAS NOT THE SKATER WHO DESERVE TO HAVE GOLD AND THAT SCORE. JUDGES SHOULD NOT BE CALLED AS JUDGES. IT WAS JUST A COMEDY EVENTS. AND gold medalist does not deserve to be called as olympic men gold medalist. I hope this is the just case for men's event. I think pair's one was alright. eventhou the thing that scores rocketed a little was not really good. but pair medalist are deserve to be called gold medalist i guess maybe. so I hope this dirty game was just the case of men's event but overall... figure skating is dirty...wait.. it's not figure skating that is dirty it's the JUDGES at the men's event or ISU judges who is incredibly Dirty. This 2010 Olympic men figure skating event was just COMPLETELY disgusting. I will not forget this event and keep watching how it be covered and keep watching how time passes. It doesn't really matter to me to which way it goes. Figure skating is not my job. Whether it keeps dirting or not it really doesn't matter to me. but it will sad me. Thanks 2010 Olympic men's event for telling me clearly what is this sports is. more correctly.. who is the past figure skating gold medalists are. I'll have tiny respect to former Oly gold medalist especially USA gold medalists. I can now know why great and so respectful Kwan don't have Gold Oly medal. she does not need to feel sorry for it AT ALL cause it(oly gold) means nothing. I hope Yuna's event to be different and be true Gold medalist (I know there is little irony in it. but like Yuna said in her interveiw there might be no reason to sorry for if she don't win. But sadly the reality and how media cover and how people see it is different. and she has deserve skating so...............
On the night 2010 oly men's event, they killed figure skating. hehehehe. or if it's not... they lost love from me(I know it does not matter to world) and they lost one audience. (maybe a lot audience)
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On the night 2010 oly men's event, they killed figure skating. hehehehe. or if it's not... they lost love from me(I know it does not matter to world) and they lost one audience. (maybe a lot audience)
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He was definitely marked too low. Overall I would have ranked them all as:
1. Takahashi (1, 3)
2. Lysacek (2, 4)
3. Kozuka (6, 1)
4. Weir (5, 2)
5. Plushenko (3, 5)
6. Chan (8, 6)
7. Lambiel (7, 7)
8. Oda (4, 8)
1. Takahashi (1, 3)
2. Lysacek (2, 4)
3. Kozuka (6, 1)
4. Weir (5, 2)
5. Plushenko (3, 5)
6. Chan (8, 6)
7. Lambiel (7, 7)
8. Oda (4, 8)
I am not really sure why Johnny was under-marked.
His competitive records were not bad: He won Bronze at Worlds in 2007-2008 season and Bronze at GPF in 2008-2009 and 2009-2010 seasons.
He did miss the Worlds in 2009. I wonder that was the deciding factor.
Another factor that I could think of is that he has had reputation that he lacks transition and combos. But I didn't see much of these problems here.
His LP had a lot of poses. But these were meaningful for the interpretation of the music. It didn't necessarily slow down the program.
I also wonder if his pink corset costume affected due to phobia some people hold against femininity seen in men.
I just don't get it.
His competitive records were not bad: He won Bronze at Worlds in 2007-2008 season and Bronze at GPF in 2008-2009 and 2009-2010 seasons.
He did miss the Worlds in 2009. I wonder that was the deciding factor.
Another factor that I could think of is that he has had reputation that he lacks transition and combos. But I didn't see much of these problems here.
His LP had a lot of poses. But these were meaningful for the interpretation of the music. It didn't necessarily slow down the program.
I also wonder if his pink corset costume affected due to phobia some people hold against femininity seen in men.
I just don't get it.
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That's a bit low for Oda? His SP and FS were baller except for the skate lace.
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I don't understand why the judges don't like Kozuka. IMO, he has the most beautiful skating skills. He fell on a triple axel but landed one triple axel and quad yet gets way lower score than Chan? I just don't understand.
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Chan is more well known and got reputation scoring because he was 2nd at worlds AND because the olympics are in Canada, that's essentially the reasons why his scores were so high. Once Kozuka is better known his scores will go up, it just takes a while. It happens in the ladies too, Akiko and Mirai not getting as good scores as other ladies who they are clearly better than.
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Kozuka was a jr world champion and he's been around for awhile. No I don't agree with you because didn't Kozuka win silver at GPF last season? How could he be an unknown skater? It's pretty obvious that he has great skating skills hearing the commentators around the world.. His spins are good and fast.. He has good transitions.. don't get it.
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His SP was the least interesting in terms of "the second mark" out of all the top Men. He gets 4th in that segment from me because of his gorgeous jumps.
In his LP he skated nervous and then had that huge mistake...nearly falling on the Loop and then completely stopping the program. It wasn't just a quick break, he was limping around for a bit before stopping and restarting.
Oda needs personality in his skating. The Chaplin program was well choreographed but he never delivered upon the quirky nature of it. He doesn't take risks with his movements.
i agree with you.
I really dont understand why chan was over kozuka. chan is JUST TRANSITIONS.
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Still, these things are weird. Mirai was US champion, JGPF champion, and two time Jr World medalist and she still has yet to get scores she deserves from international judges. Brezina has a lot of accomplishments too and is an absolutely beautiful skater IMO but finished 10th because he is young and not as well known yet. There are always exceptions to the young skater rule, ie Chan, but essentially, the judges can keep good, younger skaters down so as not to upset the older favorites from doing well even if the young kids are better.
The other thing, Kozuka is well known enough, but he is still pretty much considered the 3rd best Japanese skater, which hurts him like it hurts Akiko. As third best in Japan (and in some ways he's arguably the best guy in Japan), he's still one of the best in the world, but the judges have a stigma I feel like. The same thing happened for Johnny Weir, oh yeah, he's the third American. It's unfortunate but kind of true.
Does it really matter how Johnny was marked? There isn't much of a difference between 4rth place and 6th place- still no medal. For me, it's kind of sad seeing Johnny skate. I'm glad that he skated clean in both segments and hope he will come out of this experience with happy memories.
It is unsatisfying because Johnny had the training and talent to have been the best in the world but lacked the temperament to ascend to that top spot.
It is unsatisfying because Johnny had the training and talent to have been the best in the world but lacked the temperament to ascend to that top spot.
I don't think it's necessarily Johnny's temperment that's the problem. Well-except in Torino when he partied too hard and missed the bus!
I think he suffers from a lack of stamina and a lack of presence on the ice. The three medalists projected to the crowd in a way that you couldn't take your eyes off of them. Johnny always seems sort of quiet and soft on the ice.
Also, he used to have a trademark ride-out. He was incredibly smoothe and beautiful to look at. I think he had to give up some of his distinctiveness to do the fast, masculine footwork, that, let's face it, is not his forte. He got as many points as he could get, I think he should have gotten more, but if the judges are looking for very strong, fast skating with incredible footwork this year, Johnny's not your man.
As for the two that stood between him and the podium? I can justify Lambiel being there, due to his spinning and his quad (imperfect as it was), but the allure of PChan is beyond me. I'm beginning to really dislike that boy, and I usually like all the figure skaters to some extent.
Such a good and necessary thread. Random thoughts. I would have had Johnny third or fourth. Actually I wish Dai had not attempted the quad, Kozuka and not fallen on the axel, Lambiel had had a better SP and jumped a bit better in the LP. Jeremy had skated clean (he would have won). Chan has beautiful basics but so does Kozuka. And the latter is a better jumper. Johnny had the complete package that night. Lambiel skated more like an exhibition as his LP went on. Plush was grossly overscored in the PCS dept. I would have had him in about tenth place on that count, behind Amodio. There was no there there.
Johnny's scores left an ugly taste in my mouth concerning these games. I could not enjoy Lysacek's victory because of it.
I'm done. I have followed this sport for twenty years but it's biased and prejudiced and the judges pay no attention to what happens on the ice. Why bother having competitions if you have already made up your mind about the placements long before the competition even starts?
Johnny was the only reason I followed skating for the past ten years and now I am finished with figure skating. I have better things to do with my time.
I'm done. I have followed this sport for twenty years but it's biased and prejudiced and the judges pay no attention to what happens on the ice. Why bother having competitions if you have already made up your mind about the placements long before the competition even starts?
Johnny was the only reason I followed skating for the past ten years and now I am finished with figure skating. I have better things to do with my time.
I almost feel that way myself. And I think Johnny had great presense on the ice...he has a very large fan base who apparently thinks so as well. I think he was extremely fit and focused for these Olympics. It has definitely dampened my enthusiasm for the rest of the games. However, being a long time fan of skating I am sure I will regain my love for the sport when things have settled down. I almost wish Johnny wasn't skating in Worlds just because I know that even if all his elements are perfect the judges will still figure out some way to screw him over.
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I wonder about Worlds too. If he did so well in ours and everyone's eyes at the Olympics, how can he top it? Of course we want to see him skate again, as this may be his last year. I agree with layman that it seems that following skating is a waste of time. The judging is corrupt; there is no way around it. For further info on this, check Aunt Joyce's blog. The details are there. Yet Johnny knows about th is, and he continues to skate for the love of it. He is a gift to us and once he leaves, I think that will be it for me.
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While I think he was a bit underscored, I don't think it was for this reason. Shen & Zhao are from the same country as Pang & Tong.
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