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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnnn View Post
    (PCS and GOE suddenly goes through the roof, in her home country JAPAN - you get the idea)
    Actually, we don't get the idea. Miki usually receives higher scores outside Japan, so...

    :sheesh:

    And if you say Miki got high scores because the competition was held in Japan, then Miki isn't the only getting high scores because competitions are held in skaters' home country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnnn View Post
    You are kidding, right?? lol If you have been following figure skating recently, it's impossible to say that Mao can match Yuna in terms of PCS and GOES. Maybe that is what you want?
    lol of course I have... I'm taking more into account than just this season. But let's look at their most recent ISU skates (Yu-Na GPF, Mao 4CC)

    GOEs Short program: Mao at 4CC's vs. Yu-Na GPF... disregarding the 3F which both popped and opening jump sequence, which both underrotated... Mao outscored Yu-Na's GOEs on every single other element except for the spiral sequence in which Mao made a mistake. Edge: Mao.

    PCS Short program: Yu-Na tops Mao's PCS by 3 points. Edge: Yu-Na

    GOEs Long Program: 7.98 gained by Mao... only -GOEs come from the 3A+2T combo for underrotation on the 2T, 6.62 gained by Yu-Na... only -GOEs coming from underrotating her 3T in 2A+3T combo. Edge: Mao

    PCS Long Program: 61.52 Yu-Na, 58.16 Mao. Edge: Yu-Na

    When you go about factoring in the GOEs and PCS scores... that is pretty evenly matched.

    Also here is an interesting comparison article:

    http://www.nbcolympics.com/olympicpu...m+rivalry+back

    Personally, I will be equally happy if Yu-Na, Mao, or Miki take Gold. They are all tremendously talented, hard-working, and beautiful young athletes that are inspirations to so many young skaters. They are all equally deserving.... the only thing I don't want to see is an upset and have someone like Rachael Flatt wind up on top of the podium. Miki, Yu-Na and Mao have given us great programs and competitions these past 4 years and they are all truly OGM material

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethissoawesome View Post
    lol of course I have... I'm taking more into account than just this season. But let's look at their most recent ISU skates (Yu-Na GPF, Mao 4CC)

    GOEs Short program: Mao at 4CC's vs. Yu-Na GPF... disregarding the 3F which both popped and opening jump sequence, which both underrotated... Mao outscored Yu-Na's GOEs on every single other element except for the spiral sequence in which Mao made a mistake. Edge: Mao.

    PCS Short program: Yu-Na tops Mao's PCS by 3 points. Edge: Yu-Na

    GOEs Long Program: 7.98 gained by Mao... only -GOEs come from the 3A+2T combo for underrotation on the 2T, 6.62 gained by Yu-Na... only -GOEs coming from underrotating her 3T in 2A+3T combo. Edge: Mao

    PCS Long Program: 61.52 Yu-Na, 58.16 Mao. Edge: Yu-Na

    When you go about factoring in the GOEs and PCS scores... that is pretty evenly matched.

    Also here is an interesting comparison article:

    http://www.nbcolympics.com/olympicpu...m+rivalry+back

    Personally, I will be equally happy if Yu-Na, Mao, or Miki take Gold. They are all tremendously talented, hard-working, and beautiful young athletes that are inspirations to so many young skaters. They are all equally deserving.... the only thing I don't want to see is an upset and have someone like Rachael Flatt wind up on top of the podium. Miki, Yu-Na and Mao have given us great programs and competitions these past 4 years and they are all truly OGM material
    The only thing wrong with this post is that 4CC tends to overscore competitors, much more than events within the GP series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post
    Actually, we don't get the idea. Miki usually receives higher scores outside Japan, so...



    :sheesh:

    And if you say Miki got high scores because the competition was held in Japan, then Miki isn't the only getting high scores because competitions are held in skaters' home country.
    Agreed. If you go look at the Japanese Skating page... you will see that at Japanese Nationals (especially this year), the skaters were marked even more critically than they had been in international competition previous to it, and for the men, even more than they were at the Olympics. Underrotations, edge marks, etc. are everywhere across the score sheets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrymeyunakim View Post
    Why would the judges do that though... I doubt the judges will be holding back, considering the pretty monstrous totals the men got. 2006 where Shizuka, Sasha and Irina were pretty much even after the SP was because they had pretty similar skates. But if someone skates well in the SP and is the clear leader, why wouldn't there be a substantial lead?
    Yea, but a lot of the men got monstrous scores. So I am thinking Yuna won't be the only skater getting monstrous scores unless she's the only one who skates clean. If Miki does her 3-3 she will get a monstrous score and Joannie probably will considering hometown score. If Mao gets her 3A ratified then she will get a big score too. I don't really mind inflation if the placing at the end is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethissoawesome View Post
    lol of course I have... I'm taking more into account than just this season. But let's look at their most recent ISU skates (Yu-Na GPF, Mao 4CC)

    GOEs Short program: Mao at 4CC's vs. Yu-Na GPF... disregarding the 3F which both popped and opening jump sequence, which both underrotated... Mao outscored Yu-Na's GOEs on every single other element except for the spiral sequence in which Mao made a mistake. Edge: Mao.

    PCS Short program: Yu-Na tops Mao's PCS by 3 points. Edge: Yu-Na

    GOEs Long Program: 7.98 gained by Mao... only -GOEs come from the 3A+2T combo for underrotation on the 2T, 6.62 gained by Yu-Na... only -GOEs coming from underrotating her 3T in 2A+3T combo. Edge: Mao

    PCS Long Program: 61.52 Yu-Na, 58.16 Mao. Edge: Yu-Na

    When you go about factoring in the GOEs and PCS scores... that is pretty evenly matched.

    Also here is an interesting comparison article:

    http://www.nbcolympics.com/olympicpu...m+rivalry+back

    Personally, I will be equally happy if Yu-Na, Mao, or Miki take Gold. They are all tremendously talented, hard-working, and beautiful young athletes that are inspirations to so many young skaters. They are all equally deserving.... the only thing I don't want to see is an upset and have someone like Rachael Flatt wind up on top of the podium. Miki, Yu-Na and Mao have given us great programs and competitions these past 4 years and they are all truly OGM material
    But will mao take the edge like that competing with Yuna at the same event?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethissoawesome View Post
    Agreed. If you go look at the Japanese Skating page... you will see that at Japanese Nationals (especially this year), the skaters were marked even more critically than they had been in international competition previous to it, and for the men, even more than they were at the Olympics. Underrotations, edge marks, etc. are everywhere across the score sheets.
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    Just because it is nationals it doesnt mean the flaws should not be catched by tech. Also, if you looked at the scores and GOEs, you wouldn't say stupid things like "the skaters were marked even more critically than they had been in international competition previous to it"

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    I think what Mao has going for her now is that she is noticably on the upswing right now... after a disastrous start to the season, she's now finished it with gold at Japanese Nationals and 4CCs and a better consistency on her 3A's. That's not a bad feeling to have. Yu-Na, on the other hand, I almost feel a bit sorry for her... because her last showing at an event (GPF) had her 3-3 combination underrotated in the SP and not even attempted in the LP, a big change from having it in both programs with great GOE marks at the beginning of the Grand Prix season. Not to mention, she has the weight of being the current World Champion and the first South Korean lady able to win the OGM on her shoulders. That's a big burden to carry, and it was lifted for Mao (and Miki as well) by Shizuka taking the OGM in Turin. Yu-Na also seems to have less self-confidence than Mao (which should be completely ridiculous considering how sensational she is)... considering it was said she was "very relieved" not to have to compete against Mao in the GPF. Miki is also in a better spot, with most of the Japanese media focused on Mao and the Mao vs. Yu-Na rivalry, she is an able competitor (who doesn't have the spotlight and pressure on her to the extent that it was last Olympics) with the potential to skate away with the gold medal if the pressure gets to Mao or Yu-Na and they crack under it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethissoawesome View Post
    lol of course I have... I'm taking more into account than just this season. But let's look at their most recent ISU skates (Yu-Na GPF, Mao 4CC)

    GOEs Short program: Mao at 4CC's vs. Yu-Na GPF... disregarding the 3F which both popped and opening jump sequence, which both underrotated... Mao outscored Yu-Na's GOEs on every single other element except for the spiral sequence in which Mao made a mistake. Edge: Mao.

    PCS Short program: Yu-Na tops Mao's PCS by 3 points. Edge: Yu-Na

    GOEs Long Program: 7.98 gained by Mao... only -GOEs come from the 3A+2T combo for underrotation on the 2T, 6.62 gained by Yu-Na... only -GOEs coming from underrotating her 3T in 2A+3T combo. Edge: Mao

    PCS Long Program: 61.52 Yu-Na, 58.16 Mao. Edge: Yu-Na

    When you go about factoring in the GOEs and PCS scores... that is pretty evenly matched.

    Also here is an interesting comparison article:

    http://www.nbcolympics.com/olympicpu...m+rivalry+back

    Personally, I will be equally happy if Yu-Na, Mao, or Miki take Gold. They are all tremendously talented, hard-working, and beautiful young athletes that are inspirations to so many young skaters. They are all equally deserving.... the only thing I don't want to see is an upset and have someone like Rachael Flatt wind up on top of the podium. Miki, Yu-Na and Mao have given us great programs and competitions these past 4 years and they are all truly OGM material
    If you want to compare Mao and Yuna (although I don't recommend it if you are Mao's fan), just look at the competitions they entered together and you will realize that there is no way Mao will get same GOE and PCS as Yuna in a same competition. If both skates clean, Yuna wins. Everybody knows it except few people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnnn View Post
    If you want to compare Mao and Yuna (although I don't recommend it if you are Mao's fan), just look at the competitions they entered together and you will realize that there is no way Mao will get same GOE and PCS as Yuna in a same competition. If both skates clean, Yuna wins. Everybody knows it except few people.
    Your attitude is kind of robotic. Not everyone has to like Yu-Na, ok?

    --'

    Until the 2008/2009 season, Mao used to receive higher PCS than Yu-Na. Everybody knows it, except you. Mao's PCS at 4CC were a bit harsh and should've been higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethissoawesome View Post
    Yu-Na also seems to have less self-confidence than Mao
    lol oh please stop posting your wishes. She never showed lack of self-confidence. She was rock solid during the media day a while ago and at the official practice today. Yuna has solid technique and good programs while Mao doesn't have any of that. I find it pointless replying to some of the comments because the intention behind them is so obvious.

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    Anyway, back to practice reports.

    How is Miki doing? I hear she's training intensely at her own rink. What about Joannie, Rachael, Mirai, etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikiAndoFan#1 View Post
    Your attitude is kind of robotic. Not everyone has to like Yu-Na, ok?

    --'

    Until the 2008/2009 season, Mao used to receive higher PCS than Yu-Na. Everybody knows it, except you. Mao's PCS at 4CC were a bit harsh and should've been higher.
    Are we talking about two years ago now? lol I'm not talking about liking Yuna, I'm talking about truth. Ask any legend skaters. Why do you think Yuna is favourite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnnn View Post
    lol oh please stop posting your wishes. She never showed lack of self-confidence. She was rock solid during the media day a while ago and at the official practice today. Yuna has solid technique and good programs while Mao doesn't have any of that. I find it pointless replying to some of the comments because the intention behind them is so obvious.
    And what is the intention?


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    The apocalypse is rising already and the ladies' event doesn't even start until Tuesday night. Oh boy, cyberspace will never be the same after Tuesday night. Enjoy these times everyone, the tempest is coming!

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